I'm about to call the BBB and see where it goes. : V

» Thu May 17, 2012 5:22 pm

It reads how it reads. Its time for someone to actually focus their anger in a constructive manner and I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
I've not said a lot about this whole fiasco but I'm totally sick of it. Never had this many problems with any game. Not had this many problems with other bethesda games.
I'm totally not going to support this crap anymore.

Will update.

» Thu May 17, 2012 10:09 pm

Good on you.

» Thu May 17, 2012 8:16 am

For those who want action and not some lame form for bbb call this number and tell them what is going on. Enough of us do this and surely it will have an effect. 1-(703) 276-0100. Edit as I go through the process and I will post all I can post to get this off the ground.

» Thu May 17, 2012 7:54 am

https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started

Use this link to file a complaint.

» Thu May 17, 2012 10:05 am

Have fun, it's not going to accomplish anything useful or constructive.

» Thu May 17, 2012 12:51 pm

Mayhap you could post this in the general forum -- give the disgruntled awareness of a proper path to ameliorate their concerns. At least some of them, anyways. Only a fool would take offense to this approach.

EDIT: If the BBB agrees with the consumer here, and I really see no reason why they would not, they'd be able to force a definite response from Bethesda. Not much else, but at least that. Trust me, if they feel the consumer has been wrong, no matter how minor it may be, they'll take crusade if need be.

» Thu May 17, 2012 3:36 pm

It reads how it reads. Its time for someone to actually focus their anger in a constructive manner and I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
I've not said a lot about this whole fiasco but I'm totally sick of it. Never had this many problems with any game. Not had this many problems with other bethesda games.
I'm totally not going to support this crap anymore.

Will update.

How old are?

» Thu May 17, 2012 12:04 pm

it really wont make a difference, but can understand the frustration....simple fact is, only people that can correct this mess is bethesday..if the community, the gaming media attention and the knowledge that Xmas sales will be effected big time by this problem doesnt get them going then nothing will

But good luck to you

» Thu May 17, 2012 12:08 pm

Let us know how it goes! All the sane folk will be waiting right here for your tale.

» Thu May 17, 2012 1:11 pm

I'm 33. Old enough to know that if enough consumers do what is right then it is recognized and valued. Typing and complaining and flaming on a forum does nothing but perpetuate the problem. Filing a complaint with a company that has produced results is a better way for me to focus my anger as it may be for others in the same predicament. I see nothing wrong with doing what is right.

» Thu May 17, 2012 7:53 pm

How old are?

Seriously at least he's venting his frustration in a somewhat constructive manner. Or would you rather he just cried on the forums? GTFO

» Thu May 17, 2012 7:47 am

I'm 33. Old enough to know that if enough consumers do what is right then it is recognized and valued. Typing and complaining and flaming on a forum does nothing but perpetuate the problem. Filing a complaint with a company that has produced results is a better way for me to focus my anger as it may be for others in the same predicament. I see nothing wrong with doing what is right.

If you are 33 and think that calling the BBB is usefull in these situations, I'm worried.

» Thu May 17, 2012 7:16 am

I'll wait to see your results first then I'll decide if I want to or not.

» Thu May 17, 2012 8:02 am

The problem is, in a number of these cases the BBB will direct the business to correct the complaint with the filing party only. Long story short, the OP gets a refund/credit while the rest of us sit and spin like.. um, dragons flying backwards.

» Thu May 17, 2012 9:53 pm

Like I said. If its not for you then don't reply. Its one small way that YOU the consumer can voice an opinion other than complaining to a company that has not acknowledged your concerns.

» Thu May 17, 2012 10:12 am

If you are 33 and think that calling the BBB is usefull in these situations, I'm worried.

You know, instead of basking in your nescience, traipse around on BBB's page there -- mayhap look into documented complaints and their resolutions with other companies, even other gaming companies. They can - and if they feel it necessary, will - force a response.

EDIT: Cleaned up a bit.

» Thu May 17, 2012 8:44 pm

I support you actions, OP, and I wish you luck, but Beth doesn't care about you. They have our money, millions of it in fact. Nothing is going to change that.

» Thu May 17, 2012 9:01 am

If you are naive enough to think this will get you anywhere, that's shocking!!

You should know better at your age, seriously

» Thu May 17, 2012 5:27 pm

You know, instead of basking in your nescience, traipse around on BBB's page there -- mayhap look into documented complaints and their resolutions with other companies, even other gaming companies, that there's no use. They can - and if they feel it necessary, will - force a response.

Not unless you can prove that the company in question is knowlingly allowing misrepresented or flawed products/services on the market. All Bethesda has to do is show that they are working to fix the problem, and the BBB can't do squat.

As I said, reporting this to the BBB will accomplish nothing useful or constructive.

» Thu May 17, 2012 5:16 pm

The problem is, in a number of these cases the BBB will direct the business to correct the complaint with the filing party only. Long story short, the OP gets a refund/credit while the rest of us sit and spin like.. um, dragons flying backwards.

This.

» Thu May 17, 2012 12:58 pm

Calling the BBB for this is [censored]. This is the nature of the beast. Get off it mate, stuff like this happens in software development. BBB will discard your report or best case you will get a refund, if you are lucky. In this case of the patch you will not see any action from the BBB.

» Thu May 17, 2012 2:30 pm

If you are naive enough to think this will get you anywhere, that's shocking!!

I'd say you're merely just cynical enough to believe that it wouldn't. Honestly, it's the best course of action. BBB is there for a reason.

» Thu May 17, 2012 9:46 am

As much as I want someone to take on Bethesda, I know it won't lead anywhere. Though as Xbox users we make up a huge majority of their buyers, so if anyone has the ability to hurt Bethesda, its us.

» Thu May 17, 2012 9:31 pm

If you are naive enough to think this will get you anywhere, that's shocking!!

You should know better at your age, seriously

It is exactly that mentality that allows Bethesda to perpetuate this buggy madness with every single game they release.

» Thu May 17, 2012 2:30 pm

my fav line off the FAQ on the bbb site "BBB does not have legal and policing powers"