Are Imperials allied with thalmor : V - Skyrim

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:45 pm

Hah you stromcloaks cant beat the empire and Thalmor combined! You guys are as good As Dead!
Unlike you guys, I follow the orders of my suoieors! No matter what hell the empire go threw...I will follow them to Sanguine himself!

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:13 pm

btw, what year did the Thalmor/Empire ban the worship of Talos?

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:56 pm

Agreed they had the imperials be on top for every other game. Now there falling. It's a bad time to be an imperial :sad:

, and a dunmer. Great time to be a altmer bosmer or argonian though.

Man speaks the truth, Imperial and Dunmer are getting [censored]ted on

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:46 pm

Hah you stromcloaks cant beat the empire and Thalmor combined! You guys are as good As Dead!
Unlike you guys, I follow the orders of my suoieors! No matter what hell the empire go threw...I will follow them to Sanguine himself!

And the outnumbered Realm of Man couldn't beat the Dark Lord Sauron in Lord of the Rings either. :spotted owl:

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:53 pm

crap...now I havn't a clue whether I should join/support the Empire or the Stormcloaks.

So the Thalmor want to kill all men, and they are basically controlling the empire. The Empire is technically allies with the Thalmor, but they are really their enemies. The Stormcloaks are against the empire, but they are men. So, the only way to save the men is to either 1. strengthen the empire to crush the Thalmor or 2. overthrow the Thalmor, and let the Empire pardon the worship of Talos, Is this correct? Because, if the Stormcloaks successfully revolt, then that makes both the Empire AND the Skyrim province weaker and vulnerable. So, shouldn't the Stormcloaks side with the Empire to overthrow the Thalmor first, then revolt later?

My apologies if I sound like a babbling idiot...I just had no clue this was happening in my virtual world. I have a lot of thinking to do now.

I'm having exactly the same problem though if the empire really is kind of powerless to the thalmor, i think i will join the stormcloaks. Since thalmor and stormcloaks actually hate each other and occasionally fight (theres a quest where you have to save a stormcloak from thalmor) And if the stormcloaks win they won't back down to the thalmor, they will actually fight them if they have to. If the Skyrim becomes independent then maybe they could help to put better people in charge of Cyrodiil or help revolutions in thalmor land. I've realized that this isn't just Cyrodiil vs. Skyrim, its man vs mer, and this civil war is gona decide who fights that battle, so we can choose the people who have already given in or the people who could rise up and fight for all of man.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:33 pm

I'm having exactly the same problem though if the empire really is kind of powerless to the thalmor, i think i will join the stormcloaks. Since thalmor and stormcloaks actually hate each other and occasionally fight (theres a quest where you have to save a stormcloak from thalmor) And if the stormcloaks win they won't back down to the thalmor, they will actually fight them if they have to. If the Skyrim becomes independent then maybe they could help to put better people in charge of Cyrodiil or help revolutions in thalmor land. I've realized that this isn't just Cyrodiil vs. Skyrim, its man vs mer, and this civil war is gona decide who fights that battle, so we can choose the people who have already given in or the people who could rise up and fight for all of man.

We know for a fact the tullias is a good and honorable person plus the legionary who saves you in the beggining! The selfish stormcloaks are weakning Men by the pitfull rebellion! Ulric I bet is just doing it for Power! The empire will crush you....

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:03 pm

Altmer are the most intelligent and longest living race. I'm glad the Thalmor has influence in the game. Nice perspective.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:08 pm

If Tulius was honorable what is he doing with the Thalmor at Helgen?
Any true Son of Skyrim would stick a knife through any Thalmors flesh given the chance.

Its been confirmed the Empire is crumbling.
You guys aren't fighting for the Empire, your fighting for the Thalmor

@Scarlet:Actually, the Altmer wish to rid Nirn of men so they can return to godhood, I'm disappointed they have a presence in the game.

» Tue May 15, 2012 1:05 am

Altmer are the most intelligent and longest living race. I'm glad the Thalmor has influence in the game. Nice perspective.

I like Altmer. What I don't like is genocidal Altmer; exactly what the Thalmor seem to be.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:38 am

Looks like my imperial and nord characters will not be joining either side and instead to the impossible single handedly decimate the Thalmor. Afterwards I will let it be declared that being an Argonian Bosmer or Altmer is sin and that they will be fed to wild trolls and pit against each other in fights to the death. The winners die as well except they will die by beheading with a rusty sword.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 pm

We know for a fact the tullias is a good and honorable person plus the legionary who saves you in the beggining! The selfish stormcloaks are weakning Men by the pitfull rebellion! Ulric I bet is just doing it for Power! The empire will crush you....

My allegence is to Cyrodiil, but the Emperor has failed us. They have allowed the thalmor to stomp all over us and sold out to them by banning the worship of talos. We know have a chance to create a new nation who will fight for all of man and never sell out to the thalmor. Skyrim could put this "emperor" who serves only himself and his thalmor masters and put in one who will serve all of man. If you are a true imperial who wants the best for Cyrodiil than you will see why this empire who is nothing more than a thalmor lap dog must come to and end.

Note: tullias is a good man following orders from not so good men same with the legionary, but I'm talking big picture here, your decision shouldn't be based on how nice the general is, but what values his nation represents.

» Tue May 15, 2012 3:56 am

If Tulius was honorable what is he doing with the Thalmor at Helgen?
Any true Son of Skyrim would stick a knife through any Thalmors flesh given the chance.

Its been confirmed the Empire is crumbling.
You guys aren't fighting for the Empire, your fighting for the Thalmor

@Scarlet:Actually, the Altmer wish to rid Nirn of men so they can return to godhood, I'm disappointed they have a presence in the game.

He was ordered by the empire to crush the stormcloaks! He also probally ordered tullias to cooprate with the Thalmor! Its called being a good soldgier!

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:04 pm

btw, what year did the Thalmor/Empire ban the worship of Talos?

Around 4E 170.

3 different answers can i get a source please :confused:

http://imageshack.us/f/18/thalmor.jpg/, taken from an official video released by Bethesda. It implies the Empire was almost conquered by the Thalmor 30 years before the game takes place, when they made the White-Gold Concordat and banned the worship of Talos, so that they could try to fight back at a later time. It's speculation that the Medes are still ruling, but it is a good possibility.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:11 pm

He was ordered by the empire to crush the stormcloaks! He also probally ordered tullias to cooprate with the Thalmor! Its called being a good soldgier!

Wrong, any good Son of Skyrim would stick a blade through any Thalmors heart given the chance, like I have said before.
Hes a traitor to Talos like the rest of the Empire lap dogs.

The Medes ruined everything, The Septim Line was the best, Tiber Septim(Talos) was the best, he pretty much was a god to the Empire yet they still betrayed him, any true man would let the Thalmor kill him rather than ban worship of their hero.

» Tue May 15, 2012 3:49 am

Wrong, any good Son of Skyrim would stick a blade through any Thalmors heart given the chance, like I have said before.
Hes a traitor to Talos like the rest of the Empire lap dogs.

The Medes ruined everything, The Septim Line was the best, Tiber Septim(Talos) was the best, he pretty much was a god to the Empire yet they still betrayed him, any true man would let the Thalmor kill him rather than ban worship of their hero.

The Septims are dead...Mede sacrificed one of his legions to save fleeing Orc civillians....He is a good emperor.......

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:39 pm

If Tulius was honorable what is he doing with the Thalmor at Helgen?
Any true Son of Skyrim would stick a knife through any Thalmors flesh given the chance.

Its been confirmed the Empire is crumbling.
You guys aren't fighting for the Empire, your fighting for the Thalmor

@Scarlet:Actually, the Altmer wish to rid Nirn of men so they can return to godhood, I'm disappointed they have a presence in the game.

I am aware of their huge prejudice against all men and that they believe they are the ultimate race however I like the Mer side of TES and plan on being an Altmer first so this most suits my main play through.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:37 pm

The Septims are dead...Mede sacrificed one of his legions to save fleeing Orc civillians....He is a good emperor.......

Mede was good the guy in 4E 170 was bad.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:25 pm

The Septims are dead...Mede sacrificed one of his legions to save fleeing Orc civillians....He is a good emperor.......

That doesn't make him a good emperor, sure, if it wasn't for the Septims, the Orcs wouldn't be considered civilians anyway.
If he was a good Emperor, he wouldn't sacrifice the worship of their God so some Elves can use him as a puppet, he would let the Thalmor kill him.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:34 pm

That doesn't make him a good emperor, sure, if it wasn't for the Septims, the Orcs wouldn't be considered civilians anyway.
If he was a good Emperor, he wouldn't sacrifice the worship of their God so some Elves can use him as a puppet, he would let the Thalmor kill him.

Titus didn't do that I don't think, it was a later guy who betrayed my imperial brothers and set the empire on a path to destruction.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:05 pm

If you chose to support the empire... youre not helping the Thalmor, youre just helping the Empire break free from the Thalmor and eventually defeat them. That's atleast how I'll justify the fact that my first character will side with the Empire.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:05 pm

That doesn't make him a good emperor, sure, if it wasn't for the Septims, the Orcs wouldn't be considered civilians anyway.
If he was a good Emperor, he wouldn't sacrifice the worship of their God so some Elves can use him as a puppet, he would let the Thalmor kill him.

Well titus is dead by now....Are the medes still in power do you know? And how do you know he is a puppet? Did you think for a second that The empire Is USEING The elves! Remeber the empire supported and aided A rebellion in eastern valenwood!

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:21 pm

That doesn't make him a good emperor, sure, if it wasn't for the Septims, the Orcs wouldn't be considered civilians anyway.
If he was a good Emperor, he wouldn't sacrifice the worship of their God so some Elves can use him as a puppet, he would let the Thalmor kill him.

He would have let the Thalmor kill him, take over the empire, and wipe out all humans instead of just Talos worshipers, your right, he would have been a much better emperor in the Thalmor's eyes.

I'm almost positive the Thalmor are going to be antagonists no matter what in Skyrim, but if we can join them, deffinitly going to with my Altmer.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:58 pm

So, the Empire is probably secretly plotting against the Thalmor. The Stormcloaks just want to "throw the baby out with the bath water" so to speak and reject both the Thalmor and the Empire. Boiled down, both sides are anti-Thalmor, but they're at odds over how to deal with the problem.

How brilliantly, beautifully frustrating! If only they would work together. Or maybe they are -- in secret.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:52 pm

I'll be joining the faction that gives better pay with my first character, my Orc Mercenary. My Orc Mercenary who: loves battle; loves riches; loves women; loves meat and alcohol, and of course, sleeping. If the Empire pays out more then I'll join them, and visa versa. My next characters will be different though. (I do like the Stormcloaks a bit better than the Imperial Legion though).

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:26 pm

Well titus is dead by now....Are the medes still in power do you know? And how do you know he is a puppet? Did you think for a second that The empire Is USEING The elves! Remeber the empire supported and aided A rebellion in eastern valenwood!

1.Yes, I know. Mede II is in power, I don't want want to spoil it for you, so don't look in this

Spoiler

In one of the Dark Brotherhood quests, your sent to assassinate Mede II who is currently in Skyrim but it turns out that he sent a double for some reason.

2.Ehh, well, again, I have been watching my cousin play the game for many hours, they used him to ban the worship of Talos.

3.How are the Empire helping the Elves when he banned the worship of Talos at the tip of a Thalmor blade?