Bethesda Why I Didn't Buy Skyrim...

Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:06 pm

OP. Try living in Australia where the dollar is currently parity with the US dollar, yet we still pay $89 for the digital copy via steam. You think you have it rough champ. I just payed $89 and didn't even get a hard copy of the game. THAT right there is [censored] criminal.

I can pay to download a music album for $15 via itunes, half the price of a compact disc, no album art (no production cost, no shipping cost)
I can pay to download a PC game for $89 via steam, 10% cheaper than what it costs in the store, no DvD, no manual or art (no production cost, no shipping cost)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 7:48 am

I won't buy a game that can provide me with thousands of hours of content because it has a price that every game on the market has.

:facepalm:
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:57 am

My mother paid $100 for Super Mario Bros 3 in 1990 for me. I don't know what this has to do with anything but she did.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 10:03 am




Quite. Like I said, it's a principle issue...



It can't be a a principle issue, because someone who had principles would not compare this game as a commodity or a product instead of what it actually is, an experience.

Principled people understand that they should stand up for things they believe in...like supporting game companies that put out quality product. They don't hold up quality product next to crap and say they are the same thing because of price.

So...yeah.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:26 am

It will be well below $50 before too long. Oblivion is going for less than $5.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:52 pm

I have a job. I make almost $100,000 year with my overtime (base pay is $72,000). That is of course irrelevant and the principle is what I'm discussing. Which has already been disregarded as I thought it would in the first couple replies.

You want to know how I know this is bs because your [censored]ing about the price of the game. That's just my 2 cents in this lol
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:22 pm

I have a job. I make almost $100,000 year with my overtime (base pay is $72,000). That is of course irrelevant and the principle is what I'm discussing. Which has already been disregarded as I thought it would in the first couple replies.

You know there are children in Africa who can't even buy water. Here you are with 6 figures complaining about a 60 dollar game. Pathetic.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:36 pm

Unless you're talking about the ridiculously overpriced collector's edition, Skyrim is exactly the same price as any other modern video game.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 5:49 pm

For the OP: buy it at Ebay. Problem solve. Games nowadays takes years to develop so $60 bucks is reasonable considering that fact that it was made in USA and unlike China labor is expensive here. Also, you get to play the game for many months, heck, many years(look at morrowind) so in the long run is a great bargain entertainment that beats the overpriced movie theaters.

Yeah, that is an option and one I'll look at. Just a quick glance showed 40 listings for the US... the Buy it Nows are $56+... so I'll have to watch the listings. Thanks for the suggestion though!


You didn't buy the game at $47 dollars because you don't like the original price of $60? I'm not believing it.

It's ok for you to pay for the $60 dollar price tag on a console, but not on pc? Is that just because of the digital download?
If so, can't you buy physical copies of the game?

Also, think of it like I do:

Cost vs. fun time. If I get just 30 hours of play time out of this game (that's lowballing it HARD), that means I paid
$2 and hour for an engaging experience. Where I'm from $2 an hour for fun is impossible to come by (where fun is
paid for obviously).

Take movies for example. A 2 hour movie @ 8 dollar ticket= $4 an hour. Not to mention gas, and buying my womans
ticket and snacks.

A lot of what you said is factored into my game purchases. I've bought games like Shogun 2 at $49.99 that had significant value in it. $9.99 on Steam deals for other RPG's that were an absolute steal. I do weigh the total amount of what I'm receiving into the equation as well. As for movies... I don't go to many of them. :P I get them on Redbox or buy then for $23 or so on Blueray when they come out.

Now if you guys find it online at a lower price let me know. Like I said, Bethesda will get my money I guarantee it. I have $50 right now to give them for the game with absolutely NO problem. I just don't want to pay $60. ;)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 6:21 pm

I support the OP's sentiment totally.

You hear about piracy concerns all the time. One way to avoid all that would be to set the price to something reasonable, not something that just makes you think twice.

Yes, you zealots (remember that I am a big supporter of Bethesda too)might say that I can get tons of enjoyment out of this game, much more than others. But that is besides the point. Would Bethesda make a worse game if it were to be priced at $50 or lower?

And idiots who ask the OP to get a job didn't read the post - he can afford all three gaming platforms, so he is not poor. Neither am I.

It took them over 5 years to make this game. Over 100 core Bethesda staff were involved as well as over 70 professional voice actors and the illustrious Jeremy Soule. 60 bucks is more than 'reasonable'.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:46 pm

You want to know how I know this is bs because your [censored]ing about the price of the game. That's just my 2 cents in this lol

It's not BS I promise you.


You know there are children in Africa who can't even buy water. Here you are with 6 figures complaining about a 60 dollar game. Pathetic.

You're implying that I haven't donated my money to peoples causes (like starvation) or helped people before. That I'm making a fuss about a $10 price difference and hoarding my money. That's just not the case.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 5:57 pm

Did you know that the .99 cents at the end of every price tag is the biggest ad scam in marketing history?

Seriously, this IS a whine thread. It's $10 more bucks! WOW!! Grow up, dude, GET A JOB.

Be someone. :thumbsup:
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:44 am

It can't be a a principle issue, because someone who had principles would not compare this game as a commodity or a product instead of what it actually is, an experience.

Principled people understand that they should stand up for things they believe in...like supporting game companies that put out quality product. They don't hold up quality product next to crap and say they are the same thing because of price.

So...yeah.

*slow clap*
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:47 pm

OP, your missing out on one of the few really great games out.

To me its worth it to spend the $60 bucks (yes its a bit much, but not when you put it into perspective.) for a quality game. I only ever by the video games that I know are going to be great (not just good). Which means I end up buying maybe one or two games a year. This year its BF3 and Skyrim. Both are great purchases and will entertain me for hours on end. You have a job, you have the money, and you aren't going to change anything by posting this (although I understand the need to vent), so go and buy the game. You'll forget you spent the money once you slay your first dragon.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:20 pm

It is called price discrimination (google it). You obviously don't belong into the "I want it NOW" segment. So you will wait until the price drops, then buy it. Good for you! But I can tell you, Bethesda makes much more money this way and it certainly won't change.

See? Today we learned something.

Edit: Oh, something else you maybe want to think about: When games came out on cd, they didn't cost half as much in production than today. Just sayin...

Thanks for the input. I've honestly never looked up the "price discrimination"... but I will agree with you that yes, they will certainly make more this way. I'd imagine that wholesale purchases made by companies like D2D and Steam were also inflated. So I imagine the return is higher on all fronts. I've not looked into it though so thanks again.

$60 is indeed a lot for a game, however, I think Skyrim is worth it.

Also, with game prices raising to the new standard of $60, I am being more and more picky about what I buy for full retail. I was going to buy Rage, but decided to get skyrim instead. If prices were $40, then i would have gotten both.

Never mind that I got the collecters edition of Skyrim...

Thanks for the comment. I sure hope you're right. Everything I've read and heard from other gamers points to this as being a great game well worth retail purchase (not waiting for that Steam low ball price).

It can't be a a principle issue, because someone who had principles would not compare this game as a commodity or a product instead of what it actually is, an experience.

Principled people understand that they should stand up for things they believe in...like supporting game companies that put out quality product. They don't hold up quality product next to crap and say they are the same thing because of price.

So...yeah.

Sorry, but this is a product created for the consumer. I get that it also gives you an experience, and probably a damn good one. But no it most definitely is a product made for me to purchase. I have to treat these games as such.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:53 am

It took them over 5 years to make this game. Over 100 core Bethesda staff were involved as well as over 70 professional voice actors and the illustrious Jeremy Soule. 60 bucks is more than 'reasonable'.

I don't agree with op, but in his defense it's hard for us to quantify all that. Especially as consumers. We don't see these things happen.
We see a dvd case with a booklet, and disk. That's a lot of money to be paid for that amount of material.

I personally wasn't able to play video games when the switch from $50-$60 dollars happened. Needless to say I was surprised when
I came back to the market.

Before this turns into a long winded rant, I'll just state a few things about how I buy video games. If it's from a series I've been playing for
years (TES, CoD, RE, Doom, etc...) it's a new release purchase off the bat. If it's a title that looks fun, but I have no experience with, I wait
until it's used bargain bin prices.

What is your experience with the elder scrolls series op? Have you played them before? I don't remember seeing anything about it. Could that be affecting
your decision in purchasing this?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:21 am

No, you don't "get it".

Developing the game involves over 100 developers, as others have stated. A fair few probably have wages which are paid, but the ones at the top? They make no money until the game has been completed and sold. At least, this is my understanding. Development began five years ago, and went into full swing three years ago.

This includes plot writers, dialogue writers, concept artists, animators, coders, game testers, level designers, and a heap of other jobs I have no idea about.

There are also voice actors who must be hired. And paid for their work.

Hardware and software need to be purchased. The game needs to be licensed for release on PS3 and X-Box 360.

Once the game is completed, it has to be manufactured. A technical writer must be hired to write the manual. Discs, cases, covers and the manuals have to then be produced.

Advertising needs to be paid for. This game had a live-action ad, a pretty powerful tool. Assuming this was a low budget production, a set designer, director, actors, costume and make-up designers (as well as the costumes), special effects guys, a video editor, a sound mixer, catering, DoPs (As well as their cameras) a unit runner, and some other crew members to do lighting and hold boom sticks need to be hired. Folly also then needs to be taken care of.

Print advertising as well needs to be sorted out, and someone needs to cut together all the clips on the website and released to the public. Press releases, and a website (which doesn't get any revenue) need to be looked after.

Then, the stores need to purchase the game. In order to pay for their overheads - which include rent, staff and an electricity bill - as well as still make any sort of profit will then need to up the price.

And it all only costs you $60.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:26 pm

I don't agree with op, but in his defense it's hard for us to quantify all that. Especially as consumers. We don't see these things happen.
We see a dvd case with a booklet, and disk. That's a lot of money to be paid for that amount of material.

I personally wasn't able to play video games when the switch from $50-$60 dollars happened. Needless to say I was surprised when
I came back to the market.

Before this turns into a long winded rant, I'll just state a few things about how I buy video games. If it's from a series I've been playing for
years (TES, CoD, RE, Doom, etc...) it's a new release purchase off the bat. If it's a title that looks fun, but I have no experience with, I wait
until it's used bargain bin prices.

What is your experience with the elder scrolls series op? Have you played them before? I don't remember seeing anything about it. Could that be affecting
your decision in purchasing this?

I played the 3rd in the series... Morrowind. It was definitely a fun game with certain quirks. I'm big into the RPG's and more so with the open world types that really let me explore how I want to. But I don't think it affected my purchase decision, no.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 8:24 am

svcks, I had it preordered to my house a day early for 25 bucks. (UK)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 6:38 am

I didn't buy Skyrim because:

1. I refuse to pay $60 for a PC game, especially a console port with as many problems this one has on PC.
2. NO SPELL CRAFTING.
3. UI ported straight from the console with MINIMAL optimization for PC.
4. No first-person on horseback, another gimmicky "streamlining" decision obviously made for consoles to show off the new animations. Not even a toggle for PC users.
5. Sub-HD textures, many of which were taken straight from Fallout 3.

When these are fixed, I will purchase Skyrim. Not that it matters to Bethesda anyway.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:56 am

LOL it's your loss...

I don't think Bethesda really cares that 1 person isn't willing to pay for a quality game, because they sold MILLIONS.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:11 pm

I happily paid for the game. Most game purchases I regret after a couple of hours, with Skyrim I feel like I stole it or something.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 11:37 am

I didn't buy Skyrim because:

1. I refuse to pay $60 for a PC game, especially a console port with as many problems this one has on PC.
2. NO SPELL CRAFTING.
3. UI ported straight from the console with MINIMAL optimization for PC.
4. No first-person on horseback, another gimmicky "streamlining" decision obviously made for consoles to show off the new animations. Not even a toggle for PC users.
5. Sub-HD textures, many of which were taken straight from Fallout 3.

When these are fixed, I will purchase Skyrim. Not that it matters to Bethesda anyway.

Interesting reasoning. I hadn't heard about this complaints from the guys I game with. Good to know, though it wont affect my decision. ;)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 8:24 am


4. No first-person on horseback, another gimmicky "streamlining" decision obviously made for consoles to show off the new animations. Not even a toggle for PC users.


Explain.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:43 pm

You guys, quit complaining about the OP not buying Skyrim. Do you guys really care if he's too stuck-up and greedy to pay 10 extra dollars? That's called hedonism in my book. While the OP bit****s about the price whilst running on his hedonic treadmill, I'm sitting here as a broke 15 year old with an auspicious future having a great time playing the game!
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