love this idea, what would be awesome is if there was a tier that allows you to master or have more control being a werewolf making it so you can stay a werewolf indefinately and be able to equip armor and such as your mastery of lycanthropy has enabled you to be just as sentient and normal as if in normal form.

That was one thing I didn't really care for. I think there was some stipulation about it though right? Some way to decrease the "counter"? I haven't played that in... geez... 10-12 years I guess now. And my friend has mah books! Mainly cuz they play and I haven't in 10-12 years lol.

in spirit of losing control.

do you think at setpctoAicontrol (not actual script name) would be useful? I've no idea what it does, but if it does what I think then we can hit the player with a frenzy effect, set it to AI and let the go nuts for a bit. I don't think players would like that though lol.

i'll do my best. i like to sit around and think about things like this.


i was thinking of a similar multi perk that allows you to stay transformed longer, the last tier being indefinitely. though i dont know about wearing armour and wielding weapons. for one if you look at your armour in an immersion point of view the armour would have been made tailor made to fit you. transforming into a werewolf would put you way out of measurement. Wielding a weapon would have similar issues. look at the hands of the werewolves. the fingers are much to long which would make holding the handle of almost any weapon uncomfortable.

as i said though i would like to see a set of perks that would increase the speed and power of the h2h attacks from the werewolf along with sprinting speed and jump height.

i would also like to propose a perk that handles dammage intake.

Tough Hide (multi level) - The werewolves hid has become battle hardened and now has an armour ratting of X, each additional level grants X amount of additional rating.

I know the feeling. Was one of my favorite games ever (until Oblivion) and I am a hardcoe WoD fan but not currently active in the communities. It would still be cool to see this as an optional plugin with the mod in it's entirety.


As I said above, if it is actually possible, make an optional plugin for it. Most players probably won't like it but I love the idea and it kind of works within the lore of TES since the NPCs do mention not having complete control in the beginning and such as well as growing closer to the beast spirit and Hircine.

something ive been thinking about.

Beth gave us the spell clairvoyance which maps out the path of least resistance from you to a destination. what if it was able to be pinned to a person at will? Basically im proposing an ability to be able to actively track the "scent" of some one after you have marked them. Of course this could be done for animals, monsters, dragons. Or what if you could actually get a menu from the spell and track the nearest target to you? like have bandits, trolls, bears, dragon. and after selecting it the "scent trail" would lead you to the closest one.

In morrowind you catch the disease, in fact I think in every elder scrolls game there was the disease. And i meant walking on all fours not sprinting, its as though the werewolf would be stalking prey. ANd wolves actually fight for you while in beast form.

Now that's a pretty interesting and cool idea. Having help would make up for some of the weaknesses people have mentioned, like not being able to heal.

Walking on all fours at all times would make it into twilight wolves in my opinion.

A werewolf is half man, half wolf amalgamation.
When I think of a werewolf/Lycan I see the underworld movie version, or the wolfman movie version and actually how they look in Skyrim.

I love the running on all fours cause it is naturally faster, but standing other wise and attacking, I don't want to play a WOLF, but a WEREwolf.

I hope the transform at will be included in the mod.

that was actually one of the perk ideas i listed earlier. Leader of the Pack

Oops missed that one. My bad Charon. Although, the name of the perk really needs to change. I am *sooo* gonna get that song stuck in my head every time.

Dangit, it's in my head already!

I never said constantly walking on all fours, I meant if you press the sneak button the werewolf drops on all fours and stalks. And you can already turn at will in the vanilla game.

That's a pretty cool idea too.

- You should be hard to kill while transforming, allowing many more uses for the form. (Not impossible, just difficult for an even level)

- The bonuses should scale with level. For example, right now the Fear is very much required at high levels, yet it only fears up to Level 35.

lol sorry, how about Embrace of the Pack or something like that.


wow that would be awesome. you get my vote for that.

This is cool and all, but I'd like to be able to stay in werewolf form indefinately. Seriously.

that would be one of the perks i suggested. its the final tier of the transformation perk. allows you to transform at will infinite amount of times and without time restraints. for balance though a cool down for transformations may be a good idea.

Did you read anything past the first post?

Nice idea there

In Bloodmoon you transformed every night and had to kill one person (aka. feed), otherwise you'd wake up with your health lowered. In Daggerfall, you transformed based on the moons and when you transformed had to kill or would be weakened when you awoke. You could do something like that, the player has to kill and devour a person or animal every full-moon otherwise they suffer penalties when human, but if they do this then they get benefits when human (or at least can be well rested)? Hmm, I wonder if that'd be a fair penalty: If you kill, the beast sleeps and you can be well rested (and maybe other boons). If you don't, the beast remains awake and you can't be well rested.

Also the cure for being a werewolf in Daggerfall was deliciously evil: You had to murder a child. No beating around the bush, the kid died or you stayed a werewolf/boar. Rather interesting moral dilemma...

Half the people suggesting that you should be able to go into wereform at will and that you should have more powers really need to play more, because you can do both of those things vanilla...

You earn more powers as you progress (I know one of them is summon wolves)

You can change at will once you find Hircine's Ring

They already do that

Seriously, people you gotta play with werewolves more before suggesting rebalanced

All these modders are going to be surprised when they realize half these systems they want to implement are already implemented :v

Where's the fun in that?

To add on the idea of the warewolf looking different based on attributes(it the SK allowed it)
I would also propose slight differences for Khajiit and Argonian Warewolves.

Argonian Warewolves should have less fur and a more thorny, scaled look to their hides..
Khajiit Warewolves should have more fur and less exposed flesh.

Just an Idea I had when playing as an Argonian Warewolf.

Not sure if it has been mentioned as I ain't gone through all the posts, but a nice feature would also be to you run like a real werewolf on all fours instead of upright like a human, there was a tweak on oblivion which did that exact thing so I guess that could be used as reference.