I agree to some extent, we cant expect them to fix every bug/glitch there is, that's price we pay for an open world, however I damn sure think they could at the very least try TESTING the patch before releasing it. It took me 5 min of gameplay to find out that I dont have any resistance to magic. If they were smart enough to test the patch for maybe somthing as little as 30min they would have delayed the patch a few day to fix some of the worst problems. The they behave with arrogance and it's embarassing.

Lots of hate here, because I posted an answer.

I am currently in a party with 3 people playing skyrim. All downloaded the patch. All able to play the game, even praising it for the improvements it has given in graphics.
So DONT give me your nonsense about how I'm a fanb*y, about how Bethesda aren't doing their job and about how much glitches the game is.
You might think you're part of a "super cool group of people and EVERYBODY has the problem" but it's not. The people who don't have the problem are playing the game and HAVING FUN. Stop raging and play one of the tens of THOUSANDS games that you can play.

Also not every xbox is the same. Learn about Microsoft's xbox distribution system before talking [censored].

But are your resistance values having any effect in game? Can you kill Flame Atronachts with fire spells? If you are a werewolf can you suddenly now pick up diseases? Are magic armours working, or blessings fro temples?

Ultimately graphic tweaks, nice though sometimes they are, are a bit redundant if key game mechanisms break, like the examples above. One makes the game less pretty, but the other actually makes the game less playable.

Yeah, because the texture loading issue isn't hardware related is it, even though it only seems to affect the 360? The stuttering bloated save issue isn't hardware related, even though it mainly affects the PS3 version?

Oh gosh no, they're all SOFTWARE bugs aren't they? You can't possibly account for all the different configurations that these consoles come in nowadays! I mean, some people even have their consoles sat horizontally! Imagine that, if they had to make a game for a console and take into account it's physical arrangement! Blimey, the sheer number of permutations boggles the mind doesn't it?!

Hey, did you notice that these are the "Hardware and Software Issues Subforums?" If your game works perfectly, why did you come to this forum in the first place? Just to toot your little horn about how your game works fine? Well, toot toot tooot de toot!
This area is for "a super cool group of people," and everyone, in fact, does "have the problem."
I'm amazed at how much glitches your brain is.

I did play with a dragon who was flying backwards, while staying on the same position. Shooting Dragonrend on him made him crash all over the map, but I lolled. Who cares.. the other ~50 dragons did what they were supposed to do.
But the things you say... who cares? Seriously. Look at the size of this game. Make a list of the things that DO work and compare it to the list of things that don't work. Please do and post it on this forum.
Played 110 hours and still having fun. Try playing the game with optimism, else you're just wasting your money.


I posted a small bug (which was also already reported), about how 2 items didn't show properly when combined. Toot toot toot toot? Seriously.. who old are you?

I can see it now.

Patch Notes!

360; Fixes Magic resistance bug but now includes a bug where armor rating becomes useless! Also we still don't fix the texture issues.
PS3; Gives you longer playtime, by that we mean 2 more hours until your game becomes unplayable again.

I can't believe this really, no wonder they were done with this patch early, it seems that they did not even pay attention to what they tried to "fix".

I understand that a game this big will have issues, but really? This patch broke more things that It fixed, heck did it even fix anything? on the PS3 version myself and now since I installed this patch my game has been freezing like crazy. I just uninstalled the game data and I am currently playing patchless and I am able to do all the main story and guild quest without them being broken!

Is there a way for you 360 users to revert this patch?

Ok, you do that. See if you get heard. I don't know where you get the yelling and screaming about Bethesda being incompetent from me, though. I said I love the bloody game!

There's a difference between trying to play the game with optimism and just playing the game with a spanked look on your face, which is what I assume you do. I can picture it now. Also, you've killed 50 dragons since the new patch? Unlikely. Did you consider the other 50 dragons did what they were supposed to do because they were there before you patched the game? How much do you want to bet that your optimistic loll fest at backwards flying dragons crashing all over the map is going to get old fast? By fast I mean if it like, ever happens again. Ever.

I'm 32. And your argument is a small bug. It's flying backwards, while staying in the same position. It's crashing all over the map.

Aaaand those are two out of how many glitches that have been reported that ARE software bugs. If you took the time to read the initial comment I responded to, you would see that the belief was that "these issues" (there are many) should be easily fixed due to their presence on static hardware. That is flawed thinking, as things like quest bugs, or situational bugs dictated by the game are not due to issues with hardware.

The fact that these issues (however unique in nature) are common across 3 different platforms throws the whole "it should be a simple fix it's on consoles" arguement out the window.

Never said I found 50 dragons since the patch. About 4 actually since the patch. 3 attacked me and some guards in the proper way, 1 got bugged, big deal.

@LLamaskull: Lol. I'm not even gonna reply after this one. Just looking at your post history proves you're or..
- far from 32 like you say.
- Something went wrong in your brain's development.

Aaaand those were two out of the FEW bugs that it was actually meant to fix. So really, the only thing that's gone out of the window is your point. Fetch it if you want, but it fell a long way and looks pretty busted up. Not as busted as the 1.2 patch, but not far off. Much love.

Has there been any word from bethesda about fixing or taking down Patch 1.2?

Patches don't always fix a problem directly sometimes one thing needs to be fixed in order for the other part to be fixed or it WOULD crash the game and make it unplayable. Also, from what I have seen from large scale games, if you try to patch something, another part will not work right with the patch. They might had thought something was causing a problem, and it might not have been the right bug, but since they are getting yelled at by almost every person on the forums, they want to release it as quickly as possible. So be patient. Fixing a bug isn't that easy. In a game the size of Skyrim it becomes extremely hard, because so many things could be causing the problem.

No exactly, you've fought four dragons since the patch and 1 has been bugged. That's 25% or one quarter. That's quite a lot. You said that 50 dragons had worked fine. So before the patch less than 1 in 50 dragons has glitches. After the patch, 1 in 4 of your dragon encounters is glitched. Do I have to explain any further? Do you think that is the last dragon you'll encounter that will be broken?

I seem to remember you saying "the other 50 did what they were supposed to do". You were talking about Dragons. So the substance to your sentence was you arguing that only 1 dragon out of more than 50 flew backwards, which can only mean you're relating each of them to the new patch, because otherwise your arguement in defense of the patch is rendered invalid, since your other Dragons would be pre-patch encounters.

Well, too bad- I'm 32. And you did reply. And it's pointless for this exchange to continue further...

It's not a question of patience. The anger here is because we have a company happy to declare that certain things are now "FIXED" and actively encourage people to patch, when in fact they are not and instead they've introduced some major game breaking problems on top of them. They clearly haven't bothered to test the patch. I worry more that they'll now move forward since they're happy to consider certain things are now "FIXED". The texture problem certainly isn't!

The on-disc disk content remains to be an active part of the application. It's not like an update magicly makes all data on the disc useless and doesn't use it anymore, or does it.. new technology?
So the on-disc data is still a valid reference, as long as the update is included as another reference.

Also came accros another dragon. Worked fine. 20% of all dragons is working fine now, according to statistic genius Fus-Roh-Dah! Will definitely keep update the statistics so you can keep the list updated!

Bagel, sorry but you don't make very much sense. You blatantly contradicted yourself with that 50 Dragons claim. Got no idea what you're talking about anymore. You've lost me.

No offence, but considering alot of people *including myself* have experienced ZERO problems with 1.2
how do you know the first ten people testing didn't?
YOU DONT.

Seriously the people defending Bethesda great work, stop these idiotic "Knowitalls" in there tracks im tired of seeing people one forum, saying and laughing its probably one line of code, others saying its down to not testing.

10 testers or even ONE HUNDRED, cannot find what 1 million normal players can in an hour, if u cannot understand simple math just get out.

the reason people are defending bethesda is because of quiet a few reasons some people seem to just not understand with such huge games.

You make choices, the choices you make permantly impact your game, if you kill N.P.C (insert name) you cant do quest (insert name)...

the choices stack up and may result in a glitch where you can't finish the main quest *ive heard of one glitch being so*

it would take the testers months and MONTHS to maybe find it out for themselves, not forgetting they don't even know what they are looking for.


Point being, as someone has said there are probably 1+ million lines of code, not only that but because of how big and expansive this game is, it could be down to one single piece of armour, weighing an exact amount or w/e the testers can't find everything.

Ok, i said orignally i played 1.2 flawlessly, i just hit my first bug, no resistance, its anoying but im not resistance heavy, what do i do play on.
Some people are complaining they play a certain build that recuires resistance, etc to stay alive, level 54 here, with 0 extra in damage, i get one shot by quiet abit without armour, but not much when wearing, but i can servive without, yes its anoying but its doable.


i think ive gone abit to far but im tired with the people who suddenly knowitall about programming and testing, im sure if bethesda could they would like to give those half'asses a go and see how far exactly they get.

To everyone supporting cheer's to those haters who suddenly know everything and anything about programming, please go out into the real world

So, the game isn't as pretty sometimes... and dragons might not always attack you.... yep....game breaking.

I do agree that they should have told us exactly what they did to fix it, but as I said they are being rushed into patching by people, so they may not have fixed the right thing.

Actually, it is game breaking when you can't advance thanks to a Dragon that must be defeated flying erratically and staying well clear of the player. Bethesda should NOT be saying things are fixed when they are not. That to me says they're moving on from looking at the issue. What bothers me most about people defending Bethesda to the death here, is that sweet Bethesda haven't even bothered to issue a statement yet, which certainly doesn't require hours of looking into millions of lines of code. The PS3 patch has been live for days, yet no statement has been released to appease the continued suffering of those players.

What annoys me most is that the change log will most likely say:

Fixed a rare issue with Resistance and Weakness not working.

RARE. That's right, Bethesda always says rare even if it is one of the most common bugs talked about on the forums.

EDIT~~~

Also forgot to point out they definitely won't say anything about how it was added by 1.2. That would be taking responsibility for their mistakes. The Bethesda I know would never do that.