I reckon we'll be well into 2012 before we start to see the glitches ironed out. I do not wish to proceed with the main quest now until they fix the new Dragon problem. I cannot believe they addressed an issue where dragons sometimes failed to attack the player, yet they have only entirely broken it. That has to be the most ridiculous of all the "fixes". Atrocious that they would release this patch, further delaying the wait for some true fixes, since they'll now have to address the new problems, too.

Patch 1.3 release notes:

Fixed an issue where Dragons sometimes failed to attack the player.

Yes, that's right, the new patch will fix the same problem all over again, correct? Some people probably wish they waited before buying the game full price. I love the game and I think it is an immense achievement, really. But I cannot say I am happy with Bethesda's level of quality testing, as proven with this new patch.

A patch is never 100% guaranteed to fix everyone's problem.And I'm sure the Bethesda workers aren't Gods. They're just people, they can't fix everything in a day. So you might wanna stop nagging and let Bethesda do their job.

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Sorry Bagel, we're in the Xbox 360 section and the 360 has minor (or none) changes in hardware, depending which model you use. But if you test the update on one it should run as good in the other consoles.

I just realized last night, when a Dragon does not attack a player, its not a glitch; thats the master Dragon searching the area to reanimate other Dragons; try stalking it and you will find him eventually rezing another Dragon.....YOU CANNOT KILL THE MASTER DRAGON (?) just stalk and watch while he rezs the other dragon and attack after the new born dragon rizes after the master one leaves

If all that patch 1.3 fixes is the Resistances mechanic for Skyrim I'll be happy.

I couldn't care less about textures, but breaking that fundamental game mechanic unbalances the game so badly, and causes problems across the board. That needs to be the priority now, not how shiny or occasionally not, the game is on a minority of people's machines.

The one thing I have noticed about the gaming scene since this Skyrim debacle began unfolding is the number of [censored] appeasing f a n b o ys who will defend their beloved dev no matter what crap is thrown at them.

ffs they have released a buggy, broken game and taken peoples money and now released TWO duff patches, even managing to break stuff that wasn't broken before.

Do their job? Do their job? They obviously can't can they!

Go away, let people here vent their anger if they want to.

This argument is 100% worthless when talking about consoles, where all the hardware is identical, and there is zero excuse for a patch not to work.

In a Walgreens world, they'll take the time to address all the major issues and release it in a single patch. We're not even a month out and the title has been patched twice.

And neither one of them fixed a damn thing..in fact 1.2 actually made the game worse.

Which would be great, if the patch (or the games issues) were hardware related.

Not to pick on you or anything, Im just noticing that you really haven't done anything here in this post to help with the problem. Have you actually tried to fight a dragon in the new patch? If you did, where were you when it appeared? What were you doing before you encountered the dragon? What hard drive are you running? What xbox 360 are you running it on? Are you installed to the HDD or are you running it off of the disk?

If you want the problems fixed, give the guys at gamesas some details. The more details they have about the problem, the easier it is for them to recreate it, and the easier it is for them to find a solution. There are hundreds of millions of lines of code I would wager in this game, and they are looking for maybe 1 letter or 1 symbol that was not put in right. The more information that we can give them about the problems, the better chance they have of actually finding the problem, and fixing it. Coming here to complain and threaten them doesn't help anyone.

I know its retail software, but that doesn't mean that we, as a community, shouldn't be constantly testing the game to find the problems, report them, and get them fixed, even after its released...

That is, if you actually care about the game...

The point I was getting at is that rushing incremental patches is not desireable.

Which they havent done so far ..right??? i did mine!!! waited until 1:47 am on a gamestop to pick up this game and give my hard-earned money to some guys that sold me a beta ....not even ...for god sae ppl i was calm at the beggining of all this but im just so pissed right now and still we have folks that dont see it the way it is...they are not gods ..they are just ppl thats right ppl that get very well paid for what they do (our money btw).

It's not a glitch? Go look at the video released in regards to the new problem! Since when is an erratic flying backwards Dragon ordinary in Skyrim? It's clearly broken. It stays a minimum distance away from the player too, it seems. It's so bad to look at and embarrasing considering this game advertises these Dragons as an awesome part of the experience.

The problem is that they release a "patch" which [censored]s your game up! If they infact were smart enough to TEST the patch before release, we wouldnt have all these problems, because they would have released it. Every single calculation i make at work is checked twice for errors both by me and a co worker. If Bethesda would have taken just 30min to test the patch I belive they wouldnt have released it.

Excuse me for being hasty and rude, then. Might I ask you why we should buy a game for full price only to do the testing for them? We're not supposed to be testing games, we're supposed to be enjoying them as advertised. I love the game. I'm playing on the sleek new Xbox 250gb, but highly wonder why you raise that point since all xbox's are the same platform, really? Let me simply tell you this. It is not that I fail to appreciate the sheer size of the game and the inherent difficulty in tracking bugs. It is the fact that Bethesda release a patch they highly encourage everyone to download. They boldly claim issues are "FIXED" when they are in fact worse than before. Let me ask you in light of all that why we should be happy to wait yet another month during certification for a patch to now make the Dragons behave properly again? By that time the game will already be half price. Hmmm, I also fail to remember where I threatened them, like you put it? Or was that an attack on the general response here in the forum to the patch release?

So wait: have you personally actually experienced any problems with1.2? It seems like you're just picking stuff off the forums and fortunetelling. Atrocious.

Hold up a second. It's atrocious for me to emphasise the severity of Quest Critical Dragons people cannot engage properly because they stay way back and behave erratically? Why are you giving me difficulty over something they said was "FIXED"? It's funny how my original post declared my love for this game, yet you diehard defenders love to jump on anyone with a negative opinion of the game in regards to it's many bugs. I've been playing for a long time and I have suffered many glitches. One glitch forced me to revert to a much older save, because my level bar hit maximum, I continued to level my skills, yet the level up wouldn't trigger. Many random bugs, but this one that I highlight is a game breaker for sure!

And I would repeat that in my situation, the patch has worked perfectly and flawlessly. I have no texture issues, and no problems with dragons so far. This means it is no longer a universal problem, meaning that there could be one of a million issues causing the problem, including the hardware. I am by no means excusing the behavior. gamesas has come out with some really glitchy products (pirates of the caribbean for the original xbox anyone?), and I understand that we aren't beta testing the game, we should be enjoying it. But wouldn't it be better to provide gamesas with as much detail as possible to your problem, including efforts to try and recreate the original situation, and the results of that, so that it can get fixed, instead of coming here to the support forum to vent your anger, and having gamesas ignore most of the posts here, and things progress much more slowly. The more we work together with gamesas, the quicker the problem gets resolved for everyone who is having the issue.

no matter how much we love bethesda, gotta admit that the bugs of release, and the stupidity of both patches is simply unacceptable.

bethesda really [censored] this up.

Ok, I'll stop playing the game the way the developer designed it - to be whatever you want to be in it. Instead I'll go glitch hunting and report every little area of rock a player can become indefinitely trapped between should they jump into that spot etc etc. This thread was to be a community discussion. I was barely attacking Bethesda, just making a point that I highly doubt we'll see the major glitches ironed out until next year. The reason this svcks is because, as per usual, the biggest fans, the early adopters, they get the short straw during their playthroughs. I am complaining because breaking the Dragons is a serious problem when you consider they're part of the story!

Dude These bethesda games are huge and open with 100's even 1,000's of things to do in different orders over a 16 square mile raduis (at least). Glitches and bugs are not easy to find at all, not to mention some fixes break other things, Bethesda has a time frame for the release of there products, thats something the dev's have to try to work with, Im sure if they had an extra year to throw at the problem they would but they dont so they release the product and even have a day 1 patch to help out problems they found after Skyrim went gold, now they have the another patch released and no doub't are working on another, Im not saying its not fustrating for my dragons to render low quality or not at all, or how my land and water textures dont load sometimes, how my favorites menu gets stuck, or how dead trolls stand around, or how dragons dont give me souls sometimes, how my shouts dont work sometimes, how i can wear 2 masks at the same time.... and more it svcks, but the game is awsome and ik bethesda is trying to help us out, just chill bro, start a new game or go do other things in wait for a fix for your issue, acting an ass isn't gonna make your glitches and bugs fix any quicker

Had Bethesda done their job in the first place there would be not nearly so much nagging and lots of praise!

But Im not getting the short straw. I have no issues with the game so far whatsoever. If I, while going through my normal playthrough, find something wrong, I revert back to a previous autosave to see if it was a weird one time thing, or a recurring instance. If it was a one time thing, I move on. If I recreate the issue, I will post a bug report with as many details as I can to help them fix it. Yelling and screaming at gamesas telling them that they are incompetent isn't the best way to fix the problem.

Granted, the problem should never have been there in the first place. But if it is, and you have the problems, then post details, so that we can help them get to the root of the problem. Maybe I shouldn't have to do that. Maybe I shouldn't care about the game, and want it to be the best damn game ever published. I'm not saying you have to turn into a beta tester, but these glitches are not universal, even to systems, so if you have the issues, help them find out why by giving details is all...