After all the issues and glitches with this game I've learned an important lesson for buying games from certain companies. I'm going to wait. Instead of paying 60 euro for a bugged, unfinished product I will wait until its cheaper and its fixed. I think the time spent being frustrated with a game is such an absolute waste that I think I'd rather avoid it. Anyone agree?

you gonna wait for the game of the year edition to come out before you play?

Certain companies?

Believe it or not, but every game has bugs. As technology has gotten more advanced, the chance of encountering buggy software has gotten higher and higher.

Hell, Blu-Ray players have patches. For the sake of comparison, my DVD player doesn't, on the other hand, and has always worked flawlessly.

Sorry, but you're not a special snowflake, and Bethesda/Obsidian aren't the only software company capable of human error. Now, can we PLEASE stop acting like Bethesda/Obsidian kicked our puppies when they're no different from any other company in the world?

I am in no way trying to start an argument here but that was a bit harsh. I agree that all games nowadays will have their issues but I think its fair to say that out of all the games I've played and I tend to get most of the major titles which come out Fallout New Vegas has by far been the most problematic. I can understand the point raised of waiting to buy the game both cheaper and with less bugs. I don't think it should have been shipped as it was.This is just my opinion.

When playing COD, GOW, L4D (1&2), Fable, Assassins Creed, various EA games, GTA, Halo, Red dead redemption and others I've never experienced anything like the issues with freezing which fallout seems to suffer from.

I expect the odd glitch or error in games nowadays, maybe even more so in the larger sandbox games. I just don't feel that freezing every 10 mins or so means that this game is of satisfactory quality. You wouldn't buy a car and be expected to think it was fine if it broke down every 10 minutes, same goes for this which is why people have a bee in their bonnet about it. Also its mainly because they've spent their cash and now they have something which clearly doesn't work properly and they basically can't do a thing about it. Lot of love for fallout out there too so this makes the situation doubly frustrating, no need to flame over it. :tops:

To be honest I can`t remember playing a game that forced me to reset my Xbox so frequently. The game freezing is a major issue that should have been sorted long before now and it shouldn`t be acceptable.
I`ve played a lot of games over the years with their share of bugs and issues (Gothic 3 before the CP`s was pretty bad) but this takes the p*ss.

I can ignore the bugged quests and texture glitches but hard resets every 15 - 25 mins or so, shows very poor quality control. It can`t even be blamed on something such as different hardware setups as we all have the same hardware under the bonnet.

I love Fallout 3 and NV but how long should people wait to be able to play the game without reseting their Xbox frequently?

At the end of the day the game should not have been released in that state. Forget working on the damn DLC and just fix the major issues that really affect it.

Folk have a right to be p*ssed and let devs like Obsidian know it. Otherwise you encourage them to churn out broken games and not bother much about it.

DLC? DT, ROF and DAM updates? Not a priority in my books. Bugged Quests and Fatal Freezing are imho.

The problem with all of these types of posts is the posters seem to think that it happened to everyone. It didn't. I was one of the ones that nothing has happened too (until the latest patch that is). I dont' want to rub your noses in it, but just because you have problems, don't act like the rest of us did, or that Beth/Ob owes you anything. Remember, most people only speak up when bad things happen, that means that there are countless numbers out there that have had no problems. No major company wants to put out a crappy product, so quit acting like they did it on purpose.

"No major company wants to put out a crappy product, so quit acting like they did it on purpose" :facepalm:


Oh well we can excuse the freezing, glitched mess that some of us experience then. I find it hard to believe there are "countless numbers" who have had no problems at all. More likely the attitude nowadays is take it and don`t complain.
Apathy certainly won`t help future releases.

"The problem with all of these types of posts is the posters seem to think that it happened to everyone"

No the problem with all these type of posts is that someone always has to post on these threads how wonderful the game is and how we shouldn`t complain. If you have no problems, fine. Why attack others who are quite within their rights to express their disgust about a bug ridden mess that ain`t been fixed in all these months.

"or that Beth/Ob owes you anything"

If they released a game that freezes as much as NV, they damn well should. I would say a patch to fix it before 2012 at the very least :rolleyes:

Lol@playing bedestha games on anything but PC. Haven't you learned? The Gamebryo is buggy, always has been, On PC we have mods to fix that and the godly console to fix things. But i digress, Ive had many friends tell me there game is working on there 360 so...Looks like a problem on your side. Personally on my comp NV hasn't crashed until i added mods, Really its not obsidian's fault, the gamebryo is an outdated engine still used since morrowind and been buggy since then, thank god skyrim will be on a new engine.

I'm not assuming that everyone has encountered these issues and if you haven't really that's great. I'm just speaking from my own experience with it and I think waiting a bit longer after release isn't a bad idea just in case you do wind up getting a glitch fest. Also what I meant by certain companies was ones I have had a bad experience with before. I honestly love the Fallout concept and I actually didnt get Fallout 3 for a few months so I never had an issue with it. However after having so many issues with NV I decided in the future that I'm going to wait a bit. I don't think there's anything wrong with letting the devs know that!

@ Tar Amon: Thats exactly where I'm coming from! I mean yes companies dont like releasing bad products but it doesn't excuse them and their is a culture now with people not voicing their issues, I dont think its a bad thing!

@mythwisper: Ha ye I wish I had a good enough PC for NV! I know the PC crowd have had less issues some of my friends still had some problems with it on PC but you're right its nowhere as bad. Ye the gamebryo engine is fairly done and dusted now, I know it was the engine that caused a lot of issues I'm just frustrated I guess! I pray that Skyrim wont have any big problems it looks so amazing already so really I'd hate for them to have any but with the new engine we should be grand!

I agree with your sentiment. Honestly, I believe that Obsidian had internal problems in their company that was in part that this game was released the way it was; like their development team was understaffed to address the myriad of problems that this game had, for example. Of course, this is speculation, but I hope you get my meaning. Fallout: NV was to me the software version of the 'Red Ring of Death' was to the XBox360: it was released to fail in functionality, even though the problems were known to will happen. It's really a sad milestone for the gaming industry. I did enjoy this game; but Fallout: FV should NOT have been released when it did.

Thank you I agree I think Obsidian may have been understaffed I also heard form somewhere else on the forums that alot of Obsidian's games are rushed by the bigger companies so possibly Bethesda may have rushed them. Exactly, I love the game and if it wasn't for the bugs I'd say I'd enjoy it considerably more than Fallout 3. Its a really sad state when the games are being rushed to release to get more sales, they way I see it if the game was good enough it would still get all those sales if not more!

If Fallout/TES was controlled by EA or Activision and it had this ammount of bugs I would freak but I honestly feel that Bethesda are more human than corporation so that allows me to shed a tiny bit of forgiveness

Looks like I have to abandon another file because of a glitch. ANY type of weapon switching freezes the game. Last file ANY type of save froze the game. I'm so [censored] tired of losing dozens of hours to these damn bugs. It's absolutely ridiculous/unacceptable to ship a game in that state. I spend 70 bucks on something, I expect it to work. I can understand a minor glitch here and there but this is just bullsh*t.

I cant understand how some console game can have some glitches on one console, and different or no glitches in other console of the same system.

Since the development framework, hardware, and software are the same, how come there are so many different results? If they are not the same, at least the combinations of those things are not too many, so it could be easily tested with those 300 test players.

Actually the only bug i've found is the bloody "weapon offset glitch" which raises the weapon above the head of the character, make them disappear, block vision and stuff... no other issues.. (ok.. couldnt stand that bug and stopped playing on lvl 2... so i didnt get much time to get frustrated), but my point is: i could switch weapons, crouch, run, go to new locations, kill enemies, use vats, all smooth with only the weapon offset issue..

i can understand that kind of thing on the pc cuz they couldnt possibly test all video / mobo / audio etc.. combinations of hardware and drivers to get 100% issues-free software, but on a console?

And thats what pisses everyone off... they could've done a better work testing that thing even if it took more time to release the game.. cuz for me, whats the advantage of it being released when it was? I couldnt play it on my xbox 360 until now... for me it was not released, all because I dont want the experience to be ruined by bugs... so I'm waiting until it gets really fixed before i play it the way i like... on the xbox360..

lucky me they released the exclusive xbox360 dlc to the pc, so i can play on the pc meanwhile, and thanks to the game having a good replay value, it will still have something new for me to do when xbox version starts to work properly.

I guess I used to think that but I think they lost me when there wasn't even an apology issued. I mean if they said "Listen everyone we're sorry about this we're trying our best to fix it" I would definitely have more lenience. You're right about EA or Activision, there'd be deaths



I know its a pain in the ass. In fact yours sounds even worse than mine! Its ridiculous!



Ha lucky you indeed I wish I had a PC good enough for it because I wouldnt have as many problems. Ye I think it is, its nearly like each person gets a unique playthrough while also getting some unique bugs

Delete please.

Owes you anything" was a bit harsh on my part. I agree patches would be nice for those of you that can't play right. In my defense my post was really not meant as an attack, I just got really fed up with people complaining. I am sorry if it came out that way.

Well Theres alot of things that could effect others, Firmware,certain triggers being corrupted, taking certain quests,corrupted saves,gamebryo engine overloading, corrupted NPC's, Broken triggers, messed up scripts etc.
It really doesnt matter on the hardware moreso the software, like i said; the gamebryo engine? been used since morrowind. its outdated,broken and CTD happy.

During the render unto caesar quest on the 360, I tried to get into caesar's tent but it keeps insisting that only I can go in so i turn around to tell my companions to bugger off and rex has disappeared from view although the guard at the caesar's tent can still see him so I can't go in but can't leave the camp to go back to cottonwood cove either... I figured this was just another of the game's many ridiculous glitches so I'll just have to revert to an earlier save but when I try to do this the loading screen just stays on the screen so essentially I am stuffed. I have deleted the 8mb patch and I'm playing offline!
As for the fact that other companies also make games with glitches in them, so people shouldn't get upset at Bethesda/Obsidian ... what a ridiculous excuse! Just because other companies drop the ball is no excuse to do your absolute best to outdo them in developing a glitchy game ...
I'm very close to returning this disaster of a game and asking for a full refund, Considering that I've paid full price for the game I expected it to work as advertisied!

No worries, We all get passionate at times on here



@ Mythwisper - Regarding the Gamebryo comment, while I agree it is getting on now, I don`t buy it as an excuse for the state of NV.
I play Oblivion and FO3 on my Xbox a lot and don`t get freezing and crashes. They are fantastic compared to this, but then it wasn`t Obsidian that worked on them.

After the last update (4th), I`ve experienced so many more freezes and crashes that it`s seriously maddening. I deleted the updates, no difference.

I put up with the quest bugs, vats bugs and all the other nasty glitches for the last couple of months but now it`s become practically unplayable - crash every 10 - 15 minutes. It`s a shame as I loved NV until now.

Sorry Obsidian but no future DLC money from me, thats going towards The Witcher 2. I`m not wasting anymore cash on such a broken, bugged game.

I`d advise next time that you sort the serious game stopping bugs before churning out DLC.

you my friend need to shut the [censored] up. FNV just realesed a patch that makes FNV unplayable i have spent money on this game and i expect the game to work when i get it. FNV was buggy to begin with but i learned to live with it...but now i play about 5 minutes of the game and it freezes thans to the new patch....i can tell you i will not be getting the GOTY Edition becuase after what has been going on it will probably be a waste....and as for skyrim goes...yea good luck playing that game...i have a question for Bethesda/Obsidian why did you release a broken patch? were you all smoking pot that day or did you have the group home working on staff that day? like i said before i bought the game to play it i didnt buy it to sit on my shelf collecting dust which thats all its good for now. Fix this damn update soon for christ sake.