first can you get both the bos and enclave to help the ncr

and second how weird would that be XD

Yes I believe so, although I don't believe either the BoS or Enclave realize the other will be there as well.


Common enemies make strange bedfellows.

My money is on "no way in hell".

that has to be the coolest end ever XD i so trying this next time

Yes you can. But the Enclave guys aren't actually Enclave. They're referred to as the "remnants." They're a group of retirees banding together to fight a much worse evil, Caesar.

ya but to the bos enclave is enclave >_> lol

thanks tho now i know i can do it

I actually think the old Enclave were a far worse evil than the Legion. Caesar wants to enslave and conquer everyone he encounters and revert society to an Old World culture, stripped of technology and modern ethics. The Enclave simply wanted to kill everything and everyone that wasn't Enclave while continuing to advance technology in order to further their goals.

I thought Enclave wants to restore America? (In their own vision of it).

Keep in mind that factions in Fallout are not homogenous. There are fragments/sub-factions within each group that have different views than the official dogma.

The Brotherhood in Mojave can be convinced to have a truce and assist the NCR

The Remenants of the CA Enclave settled in the Mojava frontier and can be convinced to have one last hora and oppose the Legion at Hoover Dam (There is no alliance or agreement with the NCR)

While all 3 sub-factions fought the Legion, their major factions in no way formed any agreement or alliance.

but i think i heard that there almost is no bos or enclave in the west anymore (i also heard that most of the people left ether joined the ncr or just when to lead normal lives) soo bos and enclave become the ncr right?

The Enclave are active hunted in NCR. They are captured and probably jailed or executed. So they did not become NCR. You find that out from the Quest line.

There are definitely still BOS in the west. Since the Elder Council sent a chapter to take the Dam. So that means aside from the Chapter in Mojave there is still other Chapters calling the shots.

The Chapter in the Mojave suffered catastrophic losts due to the delusions of their Elder and had to retreat into hiding for a long time.

Even if you forge an agreement with the NCR with the BOS, the BOS are still independent.

On my last play through I did in fact have the BOS and Remnants (enclave) help me....I love the line that one of the remnants had saying how the NCR would crap themselves when they saw a vertibird with enclave troops come swooping in!!! That made me laugh.

God if the Enclave did make a return with their army to fight the NCR and Legion..... well that would be a never-ending war. And the NCR and Legion may just have to team up to stop them.

Enclave is already passed. They lack the numbers to compete against the fledging nations. They like the brotherhood are past their time.

It is the isolationist/exclusive nature of them that dooms them.

From these organizations only the Brotherhood of Steel East have any chance to be a world power - and that is because they are taking in fresh blood. Adapting and changing.

Enclave have no real advantage other than technological. That margin is thinning as time goes by. Even if you have 1000 troops in power armor. If you lose one for every 100 enemy soldiers you kill you still lose at the end. Your atrition rate is too high.

Before they are just lording over savages with spears and pop guns. With things like NCR and (other worldly powers) you are fighting armies with similar (but crude) levels of technology. They can no longer compete as they were.

There's barely any Enclave left. Their major bases of operation (Raven Rock, Adams Air Force Base, Navarro, The Oil Rig) are all gone. And while I would expect them to probably have lots of bunkers, and definitely they are at NORAD. But their army was never big, they relied on superior tech. If there is any Enclave left, they will either be like the Brotherhood in this game and stay locked up in a bunker (NORAD), or groups like the Remnants. The major players in the Fallout Universe are definitely NCR, the Legion, and the Brotherhood (kinda)

As for the topic, I united all three to fight a common enemy. However I wouldn't actually consider the Remnants to be "true" Enclave. I'm guessing those five veterans will either retire or work with the NCR after the battle.

From my NCR Ending (in which I also brought all 3 to the fight)

I am well aware of that but I am just saying if they had a stronger force as in Fallout 3 then it would be interesting. Obviously now the Enclave have but letter left and the rest are hidden.

In Fall out 3 they had a small group of soldiers that killed a bunch of scientists. Maybe 100 tops.

One NCR Base could wipe them all out.

The scale are simply different for the two games. the NCR outpost is just abstracted to 3-4 NPCs, in the actual setting there are probably 30-40 troops there. Maybe 1000+ troops at McCarren, with frequent monorail trips between that and new vegas.

Fallout 3 factions are minor groups, where NV major factions are Nations/Small States

Actually true and yes the NCR have hundreds of thousands of troops. But the Enclave had more than hundred. Possiblhy a little over a thousand but mant were killed when their main basses were destroyed. But with even better technology than the BoH it would be interesting as they had a decent fight force although they would easily be outnumbered by the NCR. Even if the Enclave allied with the Brotherhood it would still be hard to win for them. But it wouldn't be impossible as the Enclave weren't a weak faction.

Assuming the Enclave is no longer run by xenophobic nutjobs, I think they would more likely side with NCR since they already have the same goals. Mind you, they would have to convince people they have changed their ways and no longer also endorse slavery, genetic experimentation, and genocide, but as far as rebuilding America with traditional values and democracy, they have much in common.

Enclave never really cared about democracy, aside from their propaganda.

On the radio you'll get reports of a vertibird piloted by old men. Yeah- think Clint Eastwood in Space Cowboys. They're pretty funny guys and their arrival at the dam is pretty impressive.

Really the whole dam sequence is pretty amazing if you have the BOS side with you, made sure the rangers are figthing to their fullest (sidequest), have the boomers on your side, and get the remnants to show up. It's less spectacle than omtimu.... err... liberty prime but it's mush more involved and a nice bit of all around carnage.

the Enclave are gone though, the game makes that pretty much clear. The Remnants are the last of the Enclave (unless there is a chapter in Canada or something). So even though they are ex-Enclave, and using Enclave tech, in reality they are just a bunch of settlers doing their bit to fight off the Legion. They are in NV as a curtain call, because it would be weird if you went through the whole game and they weren't even mentioned.