I just bought some apprentice level spells (required 25 in the school) such as firebolt and summon fire atronarch. My destruction is 24 and conjuration is level 15. It still allowed me to learn them and cast them. Bug?

I don't think it's a required level. There's a perk that requires 25 that lets you cast Apprentice level spells for 50% mana, but I don't think there's a skill requirement to just cast them normally.

there is no required level

There has to be a required level. Thats how it was in Oblivion. Are you telling me I can go out and buy master level spells and cast them even if my level in the school is like 15 (assuming I have enough mana)?

look at this:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Magic_Overview

Most of them are prohibitively expensive in magicka cost when you're too low level without the right perks.

no required lvls but master spells are hard to come by and you might only be able to cast it once if at all due to the large amount of magicka it will require

also there have been many things wrong in Uesp wiki it is not to be trusted all the time

True, but when you think of it, it is pretty stupid.

not when the required magicka is like 400 making the perks very helpful

No required level.

It just costs crazy amounts of magicka.

Also vendors wont sell master level spells if you have a destruction skill of 15.

Yes but they will after you complete the quests. And they would sell expert level spells.

So wait, assuming alchemy works similarly to previous games, I can make/buy restore magicka after casting an over-powered Master spell and break the game early on? Essentially it would mean clearing difficult dungeons for beginner characters easily (i.e with Fortify magicka), by blitzing creatures with high-destruction magic, then resting/potion restoring and rinse and repeat. Seems too easy.

you won't have enough mana full stop

you are free to cast any level spell, but as has been stated before they are prohibitively expensive in mana if you don't select the perks to lower their mana cost

either that or ONLY upgrade mana at level-ups.

@telvanni-arch-magister:If

you know it's talk like that that leads Beth. to believe they have to rework the system thus ultimately leading to the pissing off of some group or another leading to massive complaining on here and Beth losing the faith of yet more fans.

I mean seriously, it's like that in Morrowind and it's part of the reason WHY people love it so much, the freedom to use tactics like that if you truly want to. If yu [censored] and moan about it you'll only be shooting yourself in the foot when TES VI comes and it's more restrictive than you would've liked it to be.

seriously, don't look a freakin' gift-horse in the mouth.

It offers more freedom this way, hybrid mages have two potential pathways to utilising spells:

- Specialise heavily in mana buffs to cast spells from all schools without significant training

- Take perks in the skill and train heavily in order to cast the spells from a single school with a very small mana budget


And of course, full on mages can take both pathways simultaneously at the detriment of lacking non-magic skills

No, it' still pretty stupid. Someone with no training in magic could possibly pull of some of the hardest spells in the game universe? I just find that extremely odd.

You can cast them, but they will [censored] your mana until you get the corresponding skill level perk and a mana pool large enough to accommodate.

When you buy the spell, you are being taught the spell. You are receiving the training. If you want justification, the perks that decrease it's mana cost essentially mean that you've gotten better at that type of magic. But of course you can cast it, you bought it, or read the tome and understood it. But, like in movies where the learning protagonist manages some big and is winded afterward, and their teacher does it easily, you can cast it early, it's just not easy.

this