Game Desiogner - Dragons Opinion on this game - Dragon Lover : V - Skyrim

» Fri May 11, 2012 2:47 am

#1 they havn't done dragons justice because they go against the lore that they established in the story in the GAME! hello..
If you are going to have good dragons in a game where they are suppose to be all evil.

Why can't they in the next game let you have an experience as being able to play as a dragon? Let the people who wish to RPG as dragons RPG as them just like those who want to RPG as Vampire or Werewolves don't be hating.

In my opinion in Fantasy Lore Dragons are Neutral - they aren't all evil. Unless you want to take the Lore J.R.R Tolkien established. Which in my opinion is dumb. Also why not make all vampires are evil and werewolves - over time movies like "twilight" have come out which show the opposite.

I know you people are upset that I am destroying the storyline and showing them flaws. Ever heard of the Red Shirt Guy from blizzcon. You know the guy who pointed out a flaw to the developers about a character missing.

Every game/movie/book /whatever has its own lore. What applies as lore in one thing doesn't apply to everything else numb nuts. And also when you say 'RPG as Dragon" I think you mean "RP as a dragon" (Roleplay as a dragon not Roleplaying game as dragon) learn grammar. Also you just said Tolkien lore is dumb....he is the almighty father of fantasy...please just go die.

» Fri May 11, 2012 4:12 pm

You said that it hurted to write.. I can assure you that everything That you write hurts to read.

1 - You realize that every game so far was set in the same continent with the same pre-stabilished lore, don't you?

2 - No.. In TES lore they die rather easily. You just need to make the bleed. Go learn TES lore, not generic fantasy lore.

3 - No.. Lore is the base of the TES games... They can add more and change old stuff but they NEVER would change the history of a whole beloved race. And what that has to do with Argonians being similar to Dragons? You is going out of your own point.

Everything that you says is soooo wrong that it's actually fun to discuss with you as I know that I always will be right. :celebration:

You are still missing my point the design and TES lore can change. So how am I wrong? It is up to the developer and story writers of TES not you.

Regarding the Argonians if you look at the horns they do look a lot like drakes that you see in most fantasy lore games or story lines like D&D just saying.

» Fri May 11, 2012 10:35 am

Why can't they in the next game let you have an experience as being able to play as a dragon? Let the people who wish to RPG as dragons RPG as them just like those who want to RPG as Vampire or Werewolves don't be hating..

Dragons are not humanoid thus the game mechanics would have to have been altered. /end arguement

» Fri May 11, 2012 4:57 am

This guy thinks he can create a world/story as good as Tolkein's... go on then, do it. lol.

Yep... The highest grossing film of all time (by a long way) Avatar, was actually crap and certainly people would do well steering clear of a story like that... Highest grossing film of all time, meh, the OP can obviously do better.

Skyrim is nothing like Dragon heart. Apart from the fact that there are dragons. Although it would have been so, so awesome if Sean Connery did a voice over in the game!

What are you going on about "Dragon lovers"? Are you from the PETA group for cruelty against dragons in computer games or what? The most popular thing about dragons in fantasy, has always been killing them. In fact your example of the "classic" awesome fantasy story... The Hobbit, is about slaying a frickin dragon!

No Argonians should not "side with the dragons" because they are a "similar race", lol.

My advice to you: Go and play Spyro.

» Fri May 11, 2012 11:12 am

you should pay more attention in philosophy classes
I never took a single one and I can poke enough holes in any1 of your arguments to make em look like swiss cheese

their soul is immortal, killing it won't kill it forever it will just come back, not exactly a complicated philosophical matter to wrap your head around
think you heard of reincarniation, this is something like it
only way to get rid of the dragons is to absorb every single dragon soul out there

dragons are obviously bad
forget the lore and everything saying they're evil and tried to take over the world
all they do in the game is try to kill you and pretty much any NPC that gets in their way, from soldiers to giants they'll attack anything

the fact that there is one good dragon is what they would call anecdotal evidence
and it doesn't prove a damn thing.

and would certainly not affect the relation between the dragons and every1 else in the world

you may not like the fact that they're the bad guys because you think it doesn't fit some notion you have about dragons
but that doesn't do a damn thing to improve your argument

Them why give the players the ability to play as a vampire or werewolf or any of the other races I have mentioned.

» Fri May 11, 2012 5:18 am

You are still missing my point the design and TES lore can change. So how am I wrong? It is up to the developer and story writers of TES not you.

Regarding the Argonians if you look at the horns they do look a lot like drakes that you see in most fantasy lore games or story lines like D&D just saying.

Your whole point is based in that Lore CAN change.

My point is based in that the lore NEVER WILL change to the level that you want.

A "NEVER WILL" is a stronger base than "CAN".

Why play as Vampires or werewolves? Because they aren't enormous flying immortal creatures that throw fire.

» Fri May 11, 2012 7:20 am

you should pay more attention in philosophy classes
I never took a single one and I can poke enough holes in any1 of your arguments to make em look like swiss cheese

their soul is immortal, killing it won't kill it forever it will just come back, not exactly a complicated philosophical concept to wrap your head around
think you heard of reincarniation, this is something like it
only way to get rid of the dragons is to absorb every single dragon soul out there

dragons are obviously bad
forget the lore and everything saying they're evil and tried to take over the world
all they do in the game is try to kill you and pretty much any NPC that gets in their way, from soldiers to giants they'll attack anything

the fact that there is one good dragon is what they would call anecdotal evidence
and it doesn't prove a damn thing.

and would certainly not affect the relation between the dragons and every1 else in the world

you may not like the fact that they're the bad guys because you think it doesn't fit some notion you have about dragons
but that doesn't do a damn thing to improve your argument

Zwenkwiel uses logic. It's super effective.

» Fri May 11, 2012 4:39 am

Them why give the players the ability to play as a vampire or werewolf or any of the other races I have mentioned.

Because you know, it would actually be possible to play them within game limits, unlike if you were a giant dragon, nevermind [censored] up lore. You dont see dragons walking down the streets of whiterun asking the Jarl if he needs help with a bandit problem, or dragons running a cozy little shop in riften. Implementing player dragons by a gameplay standpoint would be a waste of time and ludicrous, and even more so by a lore stand point, where's normal humanoid races make sense.

» Fri May 11, 2012 9:11 am

Let's stay civil guys. No sense in acting nasty.

And I think the two sides have fair points. On the one side it's pretty clear that they're looking for something completely new, but having said that, (and now catering to the other side) perhaps TES isn't the best place to implement features that clash with lore and traditions of gameplay.

Anyone in this thread claiming to be a game developer, I would love to play any magnum opus you create, but I would suggest contributing before offering unwarranted criticism.

» Fri May 11, 2012 12:14 pm

Them why give the players the ability to play as a vampire or werewolf or any of the other races I have mentioned.

If you were truly a game designer (a word that you spelled wrong) then you would realize that what you're are asking of to play as dragons is a perfect example of feature creep.

» Fri May 11, 2012 12:34 pm

closed for review.