http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1215366p2.html

More like 12 steps backwards for next gen.

The first one is especially stupid and dangerous. Like I actually want some company in charge of my data. , The second one is a horriblle idea. The third one makes sense. The fourth one is [censored]. These are gaming consoles, not tv. That is what cable/satellite is for. The fifth one is annoying. I should not be forced to accept an update like they do on Xbox live. The sixth one might work if they do it right. The seventh one sounds like a waste of resources that would be better put somewhere else. The eighth one is a complete wase of time and a concept that should be ditched completely. We already have the ninth one. For the tenth one, just no. The last thing we need is more shovelware. Number 11 makes perfect sense. The 12th one is a concept I wish never even existed. Motion gaming svcks. It is uncomfortable, and quite frankly need to stopped being pushed so hard by M$ and $ony.

some of them are BS but some of them are good. i dont usually pay attention to ign anyways, they give gears of war better reviews than deus ex 1. what a joke

ok, let's give some opinions on those points IGN makes (even though I'm not a console player), in order:

• Cloud storage: I'm not against cloud storage but I am against the way it is used, I would want it to be used as backup for the local files, not as the only source of the files. The current way cloud storage is used often makes it harder to back data up. I think Steam does this better, you can save to the cloud but it will also make local saves (as far as I know). In regards of the consoles: installing the game to your hard drive can give performance boosts, so why take away the hard drive altogether?
  
• Online retail: Don't call that retail, online means a massive/global market, that does not compute with 'retail'. Aside from that, as long as it doesn't stop games being available in actual stores then I don't see a problem. Where I do see a problem is that at point 1 they removed the hard drive, so no disk and no hard drive? Then how do you access the game?
  
• Not taking away already existing features: M'kay.
  
• Unified TV service: Unfeasible, you really want some sort of monopoly for that?
  
• Automatic/fewer updates: Can't comment on that as I don't have any experience regarding that.
  
• Mods: Apart from legal difficulties it is possible but would require quite a bit of work. Remember that mods can increase the requirements needed to play and be unstable/half-finished. To avoid difficulties the modding tools would have to be rather restrictive, or the mods may need to be approved first. Any decent implementation of mods would increase the workload of developers by quite a bit.
  
• Better voice codec: Keep in mind that this is also a user problem in the way that if I put my microphone a bit too close to my mouth, you'll hear [self-censored], even on pc I can't hear what is being said half the time.
  
• Expanded achievements: I'd rather replace that with challenging achievements. Getting achievements for just advancing though a storyline should be brought back to the minimum. We need more achievements that let us think outside of the box.
  
• Backwards compatability: No contest here, always in favor (unless it severely hampers progress).
  
• More non-game games: I don't like slow fastfood. This point should be replaced with 'less shovelware'.
  
• Better motion tech: I don't think the real problem lies in the technology, it's more with the implementation. I think motion tech is being implemented in games too much because 'it will sell better' instead of 'it adds so much to the game'.

The non-game games are something I actually really like about the current generation, and something I want to see more of in the next one. Not because of the games themselves (I don't play them) but because they get more people into gaming. I think gamers are somewhat xenophobic in this regard, and if they could be more open-minded about consoles being used for new things, it would only expand the industry. I mean, I would understand if the non-game games got in the way of game games, but that's not the case. So, why is it exactly that people don't want them? Because it's called a "video game console"? Yay logic!

As for motion controls, I agree with Patreal above. MotionPlus works fine, just don't put it where it doesn't belong.

Number 1. is an absolutely terrible idea and would destroy the consoles. Cloud is horribly implemented, who determines the ownership of the game. When I buy a game I expect to own it, one of the main reasons why I will never use Steam is because you truly don't own the product. What about the Used Game market, The Gamestops of the world, what happens to them if we have this Cloud crap, hell used PC games are dead because of Draconian Steam.

Number 2. is also terrible, less online is a good thing.

Number 3. is just dumb and a waste of space.

Number 4. Why can't you just use a Computer or better yet a TV. I thought Video games systems were suppose to be Video Game Systems, not a box of entertainment.

Number 5. I strongly agree with point 5, don't make the updates mandatory in order for us to go online or play the game.

Number 6. I agree with but you need to do it right or else your setting yourself up for a lot of problems, not to mention that Sony needs to get better pirating protection before I would even approve the idea for Mods on a Playstation system.

Number 7. Is useless unless your a multiplayer fanatic.

Number 8. I wouldn't mind it happening but I doubt Microsoft/Sony would take a money loss to add that feature.

Number 9. Agree 100% with, next gen needs to be backwards compatable with the 360/PS3 or else the system will be an automatic failure.

Number 10. Complete waste of space and terrible idea, let Nintendo deal with that Casual Motion crap.

Number 11. I like Microsoft points because you don't need to spend money when you can get rewarded for playing a game, so this would be a bad idea.

Number 12. Same answer as Point 10, let Nintendo deal with that Motion Crap.

In conclusion IGN is mostly trolling which is nothing new but 2-3 of the ideas make sense if done right.

That's exactly what I was talking about. What space does it waste? It's not going to interfere with traditional games, so why are you opposed to it?

I feel that the focus on Kinect is hurting Microsoft with it's exclusive titles. It's no secret that Sony beats them in that department. That's one of the main reasons why I'm opposed to the idea.

I do not know what to say about these "ideas" IGN is making. Some are bad, a few decent, but...idk

Eh, IGN should go back to doing what they do best: writing reviews for games that smart people ignore.

We've had this and it doesn't add anything worth mentioning in either Ratchet and clank or assassin's creed.

What, seriously no, I want a physical copy without adding some damn numbers into the internet where it can be hacked and used.

It's a gaming console, let's keep it as that instead of making it a terrible gaming console that can do many small magical tricks like watching TV and pr0n.


If the updates are automatically going to install some damn photo gallery thing, I'd rather have very few patches and with content that is optional. I don't need a photo gallery, so why would I want to spend time downloading it and installing it?

Texture packages on consoles won't be possible and thus, if they are going to add mods to PS3 and xbox720, add the option to make them on consoles too in a way that doesn't allow you to create something the system can't handle. Mods are a very complex thing and adding 10.000.000 giants inside the whiterun walls isn't going to run smoothly/at all on even the best PC.

I think it would be cool if we could talk and maybe play games with those on the previous consoles.

Backward Compatibility
No MS points
Mods
Auto-fewer updates


Only things I get, the rest is meh or unessacary.

I wouldl ike to have all games avaiable for all consoles but of course thats just a pipe dream.

This is why I dont pay attention to IGN.

SOme of those ideas, are horrible, others pointless (achivement ones) others are just common sense like backwards compatability. And others are just stupid (asking for mods) Im no expert on copmutors, but for starters, MS and Sony wont allow that to interfere with their monopoly on dlc. Secondly I imagine it would be hellish for anyone to try modding, using a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse. I dont know enough about actually mking them to comment on much else But I jsut cant see it working.

Closest console players will ever get, is the forge in halo Even then your quite limited.

Why isn't Hardware able to compete with the gaming computer on that list?

Also Cloud Storage.
OH GOD NO!
It's MY stuff, I store it on MY hardrive in MY house.

I'm kind of indifferent to most of this since they'd have to make most of it optional to avoid hurting their client base, plus I already have HTPCs connected to every TV in my home. I don't see why there's so much opposition to things like TV services, though. Any hardware that can run a game reasonably well can decode video reasonably well. The same thing can't be said of the general use processors in TVs, blu-ray players, and even many other types of computing devices (like tablets and netbooks) at 1080p. I can't understand what the harm would be in supporting the major streaming video services across as many capable devices as possible. More choice and fewer niche-use devices in your entertainment cabinet seems like nothing but win for most consumers. If you already have hardware capable of being a digital media client connected to your TV why would you be opposed to using it for such as opposed to adding another box to your configuration? There's ostensibly nothing to lose for the consumer.

What about a cloud backup just in case your hardware fails?

I guess I wouldn't care if my achievements transferred over to my new console, but that's not an innovation. That just some dumb feature that doesn't actually matter.

So basically they want a PC.