Hello people in skyrim forum.

First let me tell you i am new to the forum, and yes this is my first post.
Second, this is my first Bethesda Game ever, i have new vegas, but i played it for 49 minutes acording to steam ( were 25 of them were tutorial and trying to understand the UI ), then i quitted because the UI was really bad ( personal opinion ).
Saying this im only trying to tell you i have never played any Elder Scroll game, none of them. I do know them by name and pictures but i didnt play any of them.

So here i am, i purchased Skyrim and i am at the 24 hours played mark.
I am not here to talk about prices, i was happy to pay the 59.90.


But i am here with a... i dont know how to call it but. here it is....

Why is the AI so stupid?. Im sorry if i used a bad word, but since we are in 2011 i was hoping the game would give me a challenge really really big. And it happens the game turned to be really really easy, in all dificulties.
Let me explain what has happened to me with Skyrim, i am hoping this happened to some1 else.

Lets say i am running in the wild, i am a mighty archer with full perks, hunting down my prey, all of the sudden a BIG brown bear appears in front of me, i use my incredible speed and i search for a better spot to use my bow.
I see a big rock, and i climb it, i have the advantage for now, i will be able to use 1 or 2 arrows becuase the bear will climb this rock and engage me. I must be quick, i must be quick.
Now what happens? once i climb the rock, the bear stand still looking at me.. not moving, or doing anything.. i just... aim .... and... hit him in the face until he dies.
Now lets try with another enemy in the game. A giant? same thing i will climb a rock and he will stand still there not doing anything.. i hit him with the arrows OR magic or AXE/Sword/Dagger/Blut and he doesnt try to run away from the guy shotting at him from an unreachable place.
Now lets go with bosses in dungeons... same thing i Line of sight them and what happens? they dont try to search for me, they dont cast spells or anything they just stand there.
Dragons? Same thing, i cast my Frost Atronach the dragons will kill the Atronach and instnatly look at me and no move at all.. i can even auto attack them with my fist and kill them.
( i know the dragon issue its a targeting bug ).

But what about the other fights? Can bethesda create a script for the IA that allows the enemies to climb small rocks? Make them ¨cheat¨ the surfaces you have to jump to make it more challengin?

Dont get me wrong i love the game..
Graphics 9.5 ( i give ita 9.5 becuase i found some serius texture errors ( i do 3d for a living ) ).
Sound 10 ( its the first time in a game i got scared, mostly with the dragon sounds in the far distance )
Gameplay 10 ( the controls, movement are perfect )
UI 6 ( i dont like it entirely, mouse some times misses to click and all the proffesion tabs could have a rework for PC )
AI 1 ( for what i just said ).
Hisroty 9.5 ( so far its coming really really GOOD!!! the Azura quest line, i loved it )

you see i love the game, but i here asking to know whats with the AI in the PC version.



I am sorry for my bad english and grammar problems
Dont troll me i will keep playing the game i love it

AzErEuS.


TL:TR : Just telling my experience with the AI in the game and asking if there is a bug or this is intended.

I'll tell you one thing is for sure, the A.I. is a huge improvement over the Gamebryo engine A.I. of New Vegas.

Have you ever played other games before? This A.I. is actually pretty good.

Name a game that does AI well in a huge environment like Skryim. There are so many possibilities for the AI. The actions the AI takes is what it believes to be right for the occasion. Sometimes it's not the best action, but it's a great AI for so many possibilities they have to take.

i havent played any of the fall out series if that is what you mean.
I am 28 years old, i have played some games .

Apparently i am the only one finding the AI not challenging at all.. i can make a video if you dont undestand what i mean.

If you're playing on PC there will be mods to make the AI better and give enemies the power to jump, probably give them health potions to use, etc. But I think Beth is prolly done developing the AI and we'll need to wait for the CS... ;[

You have a solid point there, and no i cant name other huge evironment game like skyrim without naming fallout series ( wich i didnt play at all ).
But so far this is what the AI is doing.

> See enemy
> Follow until in range then attack
> If in range Attack if Not in range Follow
( this is where you climb a rock and the AI goes as follows.. )
> Follow
> Follow
> Follow ( repeat for eternity )

I do believe the AI should be something like this

> See enemy
> Follow until in range then attack
> If in range Attack if Not in range Follow
( this is where you climb a rock and the AI goes as follows.. )
> Unable to attack : If yes go back to a min/max distance. Or reset.



Not being stubborn just trying to give my experience with the game.
( i managed myself to make 3 of my friends buy the game )

They know what you're talking about, we all know, rocks are OP. Until some mods fix this, you just have to restrain yourself. The PC (player character) already has tons of advantages over everything else, so if you stack them like that, of course it's going to get dull. It's tempting, knowing that if you're getting the snot kicked out of you by an ice troll or some other creature that you have no business fighting at too low a level to just give in and turn on easymode.

I did it once or twice, but if I wanted to do it all the time I'd play Oblivion. It's sad, but that said, Oblivion is the more polished game (if you count mods, which I certainly do) at the moment.

I understand what you're talking about perfectly. Let me explain, there are two types of A.I. you can make within reasonable bounds. The first is not intelligence at all, it simply reacts with a set action whenever something happens, this kind of A.I. is very easy to create as there is not much to tell it to do: block when attacked, dodge projectiles, etc. The problem with this type of A.I. is that it's almost impossible for a player to beat and so developers have to tune it down, which results in easy abuse of it's stupidity. The second kind is the type Skyrim uses, it is similar to the first in that it has set responses to actions but, there are a great many more and it will take initiative on it's own. This does in turn have it's own problems, the primary one being, that our brains are so far above computers it's impossible to reasonably compare them and so it ends up with the problems you're describing.

It's not AI, they just cannot jump...

It's not so much the AI itself as it is the way they programmed where they are able to move.

I see your frustration with it, but you could just NOT jump up to where the AI can't reach you. This isn't something unique to Bethesda; many games AI is unable to get to places the player can. The only one I can think of off the top of my head where the AI can reach you pretty much everywhere (with a few glitches exceptions) is Left 4 Dead(2); in that game, the AI can jump, climb, crawl... Anything it needs to do to reach the players.

Stop perching in unreachable locations for the AI and your experience will be much better.

I've found a few strange things with the AI myself. But not in your case.

If I'm in an area where either they can't reach me, they will move away until they are behind some sort of object where I can't see them. Forcing me to move to another location and hit them from there. Like FO3NV.

Maybe yours was just bugged?

Also playing on PC.

Its not the AI that is the problem. Its the user taking advantage of the game engine in order to break the game.

Try not climbing to the top of that rock where they cant attack you.

I could say this game isnt a challenge, but i would be lieing. I giant can 1 shot me on master, If i get caught in a dragons breath attack, im dead unless i chug a bunch of potions. 2h wielding characters can nearly 1 shot me on a power attack.

The challenge is there, some classes are tougher to play than others, but its up to the player to not actively try and break the game mechanics.


Mods will eventually come out that improve on the ai also.


But i have to laugh about this person talking about all this broken stuff and he only played how long.....................

Solid point. I did tried that today in the morning, but i tend to get scared in this game.. i mean.. hearing the bears roar makes me jump and as a second nature i try to search for shelter, i try to run.
Well at least i got what i came here for, asking if people also feels the AI is kinda weird in some cases.

Bears following you all eternity was in Oblivion, and it was horrible no thanks.

Usually when i try to kill something on a rock they go hiding behind a wall or something, or they run away. Only in tundra or some place like that they just stand there. And BTW enemy AI isnt the only kind of AI in this game, NPCs have one of the best AI i have seen (when not counting any linear game where you can script every moment) in games.

24 hours acording to steam sir.

I dont see the problem in playing 24 hours and seeing all this. Not hard to see actually. I have killed 14 dragons so far. And i have done a lot of quests and boss fights. Am i elegible to give my opinion on the things i think need to be a little more polished? or the forum is not open to constructive criticism? Even when a person actually said the game is Fantastic in many many ways.