Are Imperials allied with thalmor

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:55 pm

Yes, but that's politics. It led to the fall of the Roman Empire and basically every other Empire, Kingdom or country. Politics started the civil war in Skyrim. Dunmer politics caused disunity in Morrowind.

It's a bad thing, but one that can't be avoided. The day an Empire finds a ruler benevolent enough to forgo politics for the sake of the people is the day the Empire will succeed. But that is also the day that marks the beginning of his downfall as he will leave himself exposed to assassins and usurpers. Thus, successful Empires can't last forever, unless you have an immortal and benevolent Emperor at the helm, which isn't really possible.


just get corprus disease, then "cure" it
you'll be immortal, at least in longevity terms.
as for protection...having a dragon ally and being able to use the voice helps :P also with being immortal one can learn many things on how to be impervious to physical and magical damage.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:50 pm

I think something needs to be established here.......now exactly how much control over the empire does the thalmor have. Is it just the white gold compact and thalmor are allowed to cross imperial land, but the empire does little to enforce the ban of talos, isn't very nice to the thalmor, and rule themselves completely independently without thalmor influence and are just putting up with what they agreed too because they feel that they're not yet ready, or are the thalmor forcing the emperor to make certain laws and move his armies to certain places and he is just kind of o figure head.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:24 pm

just get corprus disease, then "cure" it
you'll be immortal, at least in longevity terms.
as for protection...having a dragon ally and being able to use the voice helps :P also with being immortal one can learn many things on how to impervious physical and magical damage.

Well, people who are able to do the above things tend to be the player character. :P I wouldn't mind if I got to be Emperor, but as far as I know, only gods/daedra are capable of truly not dying. Even the player in Oblivion could die if he became Madgod in Shivering Isles because he wasn't a Daedra. So, assassination is still an option. Even with 100% Reflect Damage and 100% Resist Magic in Oblivion, the player is still vulnerable to arrows, from what I've read. Even Tiber Septim had to die.

However, if somehow we do get an Immortal Benevolent Person, then that's when I'll support him to go on the Throne. Chances are, that Immortal Benevolent Person is going to be a player character. :hehe:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:48 pm

Well, people who are able to do the above things tend to be the player character. :P I wouldn't mind if I got to be Emperor, but as far as I know, only gods/daedra are capable of truly not dying. Even the player in Oblivion could die if he became Madgod in Shivering Isles because he wasn't a Daedra. So, assassination is still an option. Even with 100% Reflect Damage and 100% Resist Magic in Oblivion, the player is still vulnerable to arrows, from what I've read. Even Tiber Septim had to die.

However, if somehow we do get an Immortal Benevolent Person, then that's when I'll support him to go on the Throne. Chances are, that Immortal Benevolent Person is going to be a player character. :hehe:

and in doing so became a god. immortal and considered to be the protector of men. he basically achieved all that. he died yes, but he then ascended to become the 9th divine.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:11 pm

I thought you became the daedric prince not just the madgod :S and that the immortality was portrayed in the fact you can't play unless you go before you died and that was acted on in a sense you never died therefore that = the immortality :S??? Can anyone clear this up for me :P.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:01 pm

and in doing so became a god. immortal and considered to be the protector of men. he basically achieved all that. he died yes, but he then ascended to become the 9th divine.

Yes he did, but that was the beginning of the end for his Empire. His successors could never match up to him, and this eventually his Empire deteriorated to the point of near-collapse. That's the problem with having an incredibly successful Emperor/leader, his successors cannot achieve his level of success, thus his subjects view him as less successful and increase the pressure on him. Also, the successful Emperors that followed were not immortal and thus they died, and every time a good Emperor dies, the Empire moves closer to it's ruin.

I thought you became the daedric prince not just the madgod :S and that the immortality was portrayed in the fact you can't play unless you go before you died and that was acted on in a sense you never died therefore that = the immortality :S??? Can anyone clear this up for me :P.

I think loading a save game is a gameplay design choice, not a portrayal of immortality. You wouldn't want to have to restart a new character once you died, unless you're a hardcoe roleplayer.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:22 pm

Yes he did, but that was the beginning of the end for his Empire. His successors could never match up to him, and this eventually his Empire deteriorated to the point of near-collapse. That's the problem with having an incredibly successful Emperor/leader, his successors cannot achieve his level of success, thus his subjects view him as less successful and increase the pressure on him. Also, the successful Emperors that followed were not immortal and thus they died, and every time a good Emperor dies, the Empire moves closer to it's ruin.


they had a pretty good run and that's why the player character is the "refresh button" on the whole thing and restart the cycle XD
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:27 am

they had a pretty good run and that's why the player character is the "refresh button" on the whole thing and restart the cycle XD
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:37 pm

No! wE WILL FIGHT TO THE END! The Empire shall peircvere In this dark Era!

yes, mine. like Talos my nord dragonborn will return the empire to its former glory, which means kicking the current emperor out of his perch first. :P
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:37 pm

yes, mine. like Talos my nord dragonborn will return the empire to its former glory, which means kicking the current emperor out of his perch first. :P
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:48 pm

Well if I could be Emperor I'm all for supporting myself, but If I can't then I'll support the current Emperor. :shrug: Actually, come to think of it, I'd rather be some kind of Champion for the Emperor rather than be Emperor myself. Let the Emperor deal with the politics and be the public face while I do what is necessary and win the wars.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:00 pm

As far as i'm concerned if the thalmor have little influence over the empire and were just able to get talos banned when the Empire nearly lost a war, but the Empire is still completely independent and acting on its own then the nations need to stay together if they want to have the strength to beat the thalmor. But if the Empire is powerless to the thalmor and are being forced to make laws and stuff based on the agenda of the thalmor leaders then we need to revolt from a government that is acting for the enemies of mankind and create one that will defend mankind.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:25 pm

As far as i'm concerned if the thalmor have little influence over the empire and were just able to get talos banned when the Empire nearly lost a war, but the Empire is still completely independent and acting on its own then the nations need to stay together if they want to have the strength to beat the thalmor. But if the Empire is powerless to the thalmor and are being forced to make laws and stuff based on the agenda of the thalmor leaders then we need to revolt from a government that is acting for the enemies of mankind and create one that will defend mankind.

I agree with that, though I don't see the Empire becoming totally powerless unless Cyrodiil has been occupied by the Aldmeri Dominion, putting a knife at the throat of the Emperor. All it takes is for the Empire to be reassured of it's capability to win the war against the Thalmor, and I'm sure once that happens they would be glad to go to war again. They wouldn't willingly side with a force whose aim is to kill their own race.

However, if by some crazy event the Emperor is willingly pro-Thalmor, then I say down with him!
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:48 pm

So has it been confirmed that the thalmor are behind the empire ( what with their banning of Talos and all ) ?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:40 pm

So has it been confirmed that the thalmor are behind the empire ( what with their banning of Talos and all ) ?

The banning of Talos was part of the Concordat of White Gold, the peace treaty that ended the war between the Thalmor and the Empire. The Thalmor are at peace with the Empire, I don't think they are really behind them.

EDIT: It might also be possible that part of the Concordat of White Gold required the Thalmor to aid the Empire in some ways, thus they are helping them out.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:33 pm

The banning of Talos was part of the Concordat of White Gold, the peace treaty that ended the war between the Thalmor and the Empire. The Thalmor are at peace with the Empire, I don't think they are really behind them.

EDIT: It might also be possible that part of the Concordat of White Gold required the Thalmor to aid the Empire in some ways, thus they are helping them out.
Oh, it's only I heard that the thalmor are trying to wipe out all men races, and get a god like status. Guess it's wrong?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:06 am

Oh, it's only I heard that the thalmor are trying to wipe out all men races, and get a god like status. Guess it's wrong?

They are, just that they're doing it more discreetly now. They may have signed a peace treaty, but part of that treaty got the worship of Talos banned, leading the one step closer to achieving their goal.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:44 pm

They are, just that they're doing it more discreetly now. They may have signed a peace treaty, but part of that treaty got the worship of Talos banned, leading the one step closer to achieving their goal.
Interesting. thanks. Guess the thalmor will be a major faction in the MQ.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:08 pm

Interesting. thanks. Guess the thalmor will be a major faction in the MQ.

You're welcome. :) I think they will be as well, which sort of messes up my plans on joining the Imperial Legion since I don't want to have to fight my allies or anything. I hate the Thalmor as well, so having them as allies seem to be weird.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:53 pm

Ahaha, so this makes the Argonians the Good(est) guys here. I have a strong feeling that the Argonians are going to be allied with the Khajiit.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:25 pm

Wait, just because the Empire has a peace treaty with the Thalmor does NOT mean they're allies.

The Empire has been CONQUERED by the Thalmor, and their terms for peace (mercy) included the outlawing of the worship of Talos. This has been a major goal of the Thalmor for many years, now becoming realized.

The Empire is in decline. It's not dead yet, but it's on its way out.

There's a new power rising in the North. But it does not come out of thin air. It stands in the tradition of Ysgramir and his 500 Companions, the ones who conquered the elves way back in the time of myth and shadow in the 1st Era. These Companions of Ysgramir can be directly connected to the Companions of Skyrim today - who are werewolves. This is where they derive their power now, this is where they derive their power THEN.

Here, O man, is your last, great hope against the rising of the Elvish menace - it is not to be found in the spineless Empire, now conquered, now but a pale after image of its former glory. It is not to be found in Emperors or Kings or Princes or Legions.

No, humanity, your last hope is in the Lycanthropes. The beast within shall be your salvation from the monsters without.

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