So, the second best light armour is glass, the second best heavy is daedric, there's no 'dragon' weapons being the best material for armour (light and heavy).

This then leads to the situation where light armour smithing perks are 'worth less' because the weapons (rather) than the armour are inferior -- ebony and deadric are traditionally superior compared to glass.

How do we interrupt the balancing related to these perks?

Dragon could potentially be linked to the end of both branches. Not sure though, I haven't seen the actual tree.

You read the OP, or even the thread title?

No idea how this issue will be solved, OP, and is one of the many things I dislike about the Smithing tree. It's possible Glass Weapons will be comparable to Ebony, but that still leaves Daedric as being superior. Light Armour smiths may just have to rely on finding their late game weapons, instead of making them, which pretty much svcks.

Good point, will glass be the same as daedric or can you "back track" because dragon is touchin deadric? Also, you have to pump points into light to use the "magical improvement" perk, if i read thetree correctly

Yes, but assuming there are Dragon weapons, which are most likely superior to Daedric, it's not such a huge deal. you just have to stick it out until you get to the Dragon bone weapons.

Every Perk on the tree lists Armour and Weapons of that material type except on the Dragon Perk. So, it can be safely assumed that there are no Dragon weapons.

Yeah this bugs me to no end as well (the only major fault I have found/cared about so far.) I really hope at minimum you can backtrack from dragon.

Anyone given the thought that Light armor has 3 perks , Heavy has 4?
(Not counting the first and last)

Just giving a bit of a brain-teaser , see if it makes sense for more out there XD

I have, also in the light armour part of the tree you can't make 'scale' or 'plate' weapons (only armour) which makes the entire situation appear to svck even more...

I wonder if they can balance it so glass weapons do less damage than daedric but swing faster and take less stamina to swing? Even in such scenarios however, daedric daggers would still be preferable over glass due to the damages being multiplied by stealth attacks which are generally utilised by light armour wearing individuals.

*Scratches head*
This is confusing

But a Plate-armor, wouldn't that be a Heavy Armor? o0
Sounds that way XD

Plate and scale are the way armours are built, not materials, so it's natural that they are light armour only. I agree with at the very least making "light" weapons take less stamina to swing, but either way I'd rather have daedric swords for my dual-wielding (but light armour wearing) character.

If you look at the Tree .. you can tell a Few things.

http://i.imgur.com/ZZhwL.jpg.

Yall are looking at it wrong . it is 100% Fair.

Give me a Sec too try too Explan.

If you Start from the frist Perk going Left (Light arrmor). It Takes 4x Perks to get Glass, 5x to get Dragon And 6x to get Daedric.

I You Start from the Frist perk & go RIght (heavy armor). It takes 5x Perks to get Daedric & 6x To Get Dragon.

...

Looking at it like that i would Say it is 100% the same .. if not better for Light be cause if you find your Daedric Weapons .. you save A perk too spend elseware and you can get them sooner.

So teir for it is 100% FAIR

It's not confirmed that you can loop around dragon to get daedric, so without that confirmation (and as a pessimistic person) I'll assume it isn't in and say that no the tree isn't fair as it stands.

That was my point as well.

But, what about this;
The second "Light" Armor perk is called Advanced Armors, and is only the crafting of Armors and not weapons.
If you count weapon vs armor perks for each side, 2 weapons - 4 armors for Light vs 4 weapons - 4 armors for Heavy.
(Again not counting first and last)
And even if you think "okay, so light will get more armors" , I find that "Plate" (Under Advanced Armors) sounds pretty Heavy Armor to me.

What you guys think?
Just tossing my thoughts out there.

True, my point was more to do with that being yet another light armour perk that isn't related to weapons as well as armour.

Interestingly in Morrowind there was: Imperial newtscale armour (light armour), Imperial Dragonscale (medium armour),


It's something of a dilemma when it comes to a Nord barbarian (light armour) and use of a double handed weapon.

Yeah I definitely agree with your second point, someone using light armour doesn't mean they only use daggers and bows, I plan(ned) on dual-wielding swords that I could smith myself, but if I have to take every heavy armour perk just to be able to do that I'll be more than a little pissed off.

What do you mean there are no Dragon weapons?

You can make dragon bone armour but not dragon bone weapons.

Not to mention, going for Daedric (heavy) stuff after investing in being light wouldn't be all that useful.

How many levels are there to the smithing perks? Perhaps Glass Smithing can be leveled up more (thus be able to improve Glass armor/weapons more) than Ebony, so the extra-improved Glass could be another "tier" comparable to Daedric as standard Glass is to Ebony.

Says who?