I seen yesterday someone briefly spoke about this issue, i wonder how many other would join in if this started, i know for a fact that i would and that i would withought a doubt have a huge amount of proof on our part, thing is there are a few questions i asked myself before really considering this.

1, What kind of chance would the PS3 users have of winning such a case.

2, would their be enough proof to sustain such a debate?
And
3, What would Bethesda's reaction be?

I can assure you this is something i am more than just considering, i dont care if you guys are "TRYING" to fix this game... i DID NOT pay good HARD EARNED money for a broken product, would you go to a store and buy a BRAND NEW refrigerator that was broken?

Not only that but media companies have started making a fuss over the PS3 copy of Skyrim already to, as i seen in a post by a user on this very same forum.

I think this would be good for the gaming community everywhere anyway, we need some guide lines to game marketing (i'm tired of gaming companies screwing the players over), my current feeling is that games should be like everything else, if you create a product and you sell it to the costumer you should guaruntee its playability 100% or their money back, not everyones Skrim is messed up because of the game itself, they could have a near dead PS3, but the fact is... most of us have well working PS3 systems and the problems continue, if i had the chance i would take this broken game back, get my refund and store it aways somewhere till the problems were fixed 100%

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, and if WE DO NOT get a response VERY VERY SOON, Bethesda get ready for a legal battle because i and many others will NOT stand for this... Who is with me?

PS: these are my own problems, i stated them before and their are MANY, so i will simply post a link to the previous post.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1279028-we-seriously-paid-for-this/

1. We'd need very very good lawyers on our side, remember bethesda is a big company and they are more than prepared for lawsuits.
2. the majority of ps3 users are experiencing this so yes there is enough proof. They recognized the game had a big problem in the ps3 version.
3. Bethesda would probably recall their ps3 products, give refund and thats about it, no more bethesda games for theps3 but hey, at least we're not getting robbed.

More than winning or losing, its worth a fight. its about making a statement

Honestly though the whole gaming community has been taken advantage of for far too long, i mean GameStop "Guarantees" $30 on games that you JUST bought.... not only that but these game companies don't guarantee their product to be quality, i can see how Skyrim can easily slip by and pass for "Good Enough" with the current laws and rules we have in place of gaming today, and frankly i for one am tired of it, my hard earned money doesn't need need to go toward broken material and from now on it will not.

Good luck, I doubt you will get far with a lawsuit but I seriously wish you the best. I think your best bet would be to contact Maryland BBB and file a complaint.

I believe the majority are jumping the gun and we should wait until the patch comes out. Now I'm one of those cynical people who thinks the patch will not fix this and I also believe Bethesda will not do a thing about it. Sure, legal action would make me feel better but I have no legal knowledge and I know for a fact that a little man can't beat the big man with his thousands of lawyers.

Quite frankly unless this is fixed I feel completely and utterly robbed of my money. The game is sitting on my desk as it functions no better than a brick thanks to this memory streaming bug. All I know is this, I will not be purchasing from this company again unless they clean up their act.

There's currently an active class action lawsuit towards EA for promoting that BF3 would come with BF1942 for ps3 but didn't. So, anythings possible.

What is wrong with Skyrim?? Been playing all week, ( a lot of hours ) so far only one issue (sound problems), which literally just started 10 minutes ago.
Zero lag, zero frame rate problems.
Those cannot be software issues, or it would affect everyone. I doubt I'm that lucky.

Clean up your HDD's

PS: your post doesn't even mention what your upset about.

If everyone who had the lag issues with this game filed a complaint with the BBB, something would happen.

What is your MB storage at?
And Btw i reformated my PS3 last week, it has 140 GBs of open space, considering the other 20 used already id mostly for System usage i highly doubt that my memory is a problem
And fine i will update my post with what i am upset about.

I'd be all for it IF you had a good lawyer (or team of lawyers as if you decided to go through with this Bethesda will have plenty), and you had a person that understood programming and could look at the code of the game and tell it was faulty. Basically if you can get an intelligible person to prove the PS3 version of Skyrim is [censored] and why, then have legal resources ready to demonstrate the criminal or negligible acts of Bethesda as a company. Then seriously go for it, at the very least it would spurn a massive amount of negative publicity. That in itself is as bad as losing money outright, especially if public opinion remains negative over time. Can't stay in business if people hate you and refuse to buy your product, a mainstream lawsuit with any sort of credibility is one of the last things Bethesda wants.

I'm sorry, but I can't stop laughing long enough at the absurdity of this to address your points. It's a bug in a video game. Go occupy Bethesda hahahaha!

One thing that helps, until a patch is to disable autosave. I had 5 autosaves at 8mb each. I disabled and now have one save and the game is running better.

God almighty, a class action lawsuit hahahahah

Not only a troll, but someone who's numbers are VERY far from accurate, every day their are more and more PS3 users having the same issues, as well as 360 users. PC users have it pretty good, they still have a whole lot of problem but hey, if i had the issues they had i would even be here. and yeah idk where you got your figures from but their are more than 400 PS3 users a day finding out about this issue and joining the forums. look at peoples names who joined just because they were having problems.... in fact... i am one of them

Would you let someone walk in your house and threaten to beat you up or sue you? Im sure posting on here was a very bad idea. Lol

I simply want them to know we will not stand for such a direct violation of consumer relations and quality, if however i got a SIMPLE response from Bethesda themselves i would be much more happy than i am now.

That is all that it boils down to, i want a response from the company.. We all want to feel like we are being heard and that we mean something to this company, i want to feel like we are valued to them, like they need us and like we are THEM, we make THEM and we want to have a simple response to this, give us an estimate on when where and what you are planning to fix.

I know that people are upset and disappointed, and so am I. I hate the fact that I got ripped off and I hate that these issues are making it impossible to enjoy a fantastic game. Bethesda′s communication with us is very poor, and the fact that they released a broken game for the PS3 is nothing but incredibly arrogant.

Honestly though, suing Bethesda is something I would advise you to not do. If you really want to, go for it, but the process of suing a company like Bethesda is not something that finishes over night.

You have to prepare for an extremely stressful period of your life. With constant disappointments and letdowns, case-wise, it will be tough to stay focused. Also, stuff like this take a long time to settle (if you even get there), we are talking months/years before a verdict is reached.

The biggest problem, though, is that you need to be in a economical state where you actually have the finances to pursue this. Suing Bethesda is going to be extremely costly, and I doubt that you have that kind of money.

Think about this hard before you decide to do anything. Your probably raging right now, so try to calm down and view the pros and cons before proceeding with anything.

They have said all of that... Anyways, saying your gonna sue someone on their forums is a easy way to get banned and have this topic locked. That's what im saying. This solves nothing. You need to write a email to Bethesda instead of posting on a help forums. Haven't you read the sticky at the top of the forum? It clearly stated a time frame. Im pretty sure your being. Heard otherwise they wouldn't bother patching it at all. You have to understand as well alot of users aren't having problems. Its just the ones who are moan about it. Your hard drive has different stuff then another persons hard drive. The game is not gonna run exactly the same on two different systems. PCs have had this problem for years with video card and sound cards, and ps3 is essentially a computer. There's alot of variables to account for. What I would like is not a simple answer, but a well thought out explanation on exactly what caused some of the issues. If it's the cause is the same for every system. Or is it a different cause, but having the same effect.

Lets give Bethesda the chance to make amends and fix the problems. After reading what many of the users are experiencing, I've held off on buying the game for now (though it's killing me!). I can understand the frustration and disappoint with those who have purchased the game and it's now unplayable. I look forward to seeing what Bethesda does to fix the problems, but I do think we should give them a chance with Skyrim, as they must know they'll have a mob after them and their reputation will be damaged if they have sold (another?) broken high-profile game. As another poster stated, it makes no sense for them to go to such great lengths in the graphics and layout if players can't even play long enough to enjoy it, their work and craft was all in vain. I guess we'll get answers (or at least a better idea) after Thanksgiving...?

They're not going to ban anybody for discussing their distress. Suing Bethesda would be a bit much, yeah. But banning somebody for bringing up the topic would be just as childish, it would also look a bit guilty on their part. Seriously I highly doubt anybody sues them over it, unless some incriminating evidence pops up or something. Weird [censored] happens. People are venting and I'm halfway instigating, I'm angry but I can deal.

Regardless of what comes from all this, people have lost major faith in Bethesda. At least I know I have. As a person that owns every platform this game is released on (PC [censored] don't start. I had planned on getting the GOTY edition when mods had some time to be tested and become stable) I would have liked honest information about your product, screw Bill Gates your loyalty should lie with me. I would have even got it for old Bill's system had ya'll been upfront about things. And when I say me I mean me the consumer, and there are many many of us and we pay your [censored]in bills.

Let us not forget Skyrim cost a [censored] ton of money to make, not to mention they spent quite a bit on promoting and hyping this game. Oh yeah they sold a lot of copies, but they probably haven't made a profit yet. Like any product the money is in the lifetime of it, sure a lot of people jumped to buy it. But many more have not. They HAVE to fix this, and if they can't it will be very bad for them. Skyrim may very well be the last Bethesda product I purchase. I waited years for this, and I get a beautifully crafted work of art, and as a bonus I thought it was chocolate... but turns out it was [censored]. And now it stinks, ruins the whole experience. And you expect me to buy more of your games when you clearly prefer Microsoft while I don't, and you're apparently more than willing to sell me le poop. Do me a favor, just hurry up and fix Skyrim so it'll be a nice funeral pyre to you. Hell I'll still even get the GOTY edition, if we can even get that far. One step at a time.

60 hours, 10MB.

I'm not saying there aren't issues, I'm saying people sometimes get mad and point fingers first. I'll be first in line to complain if I come across any issues.

The fact that you actually have cleaned up your system, and are still having these issues has me a bit worried. I'll write back when I hit 80 hours, or 12MB+

keep in mind that at 10MB i did the steps stated in my previous post.in my previous post their is also a link to another post that explains the steps you can take to make the game run much better. and i agree Defected, i wish i would have waited for the GOTY addition, if they still get it after this big blunder. no doubt by the time the awards come around everyone will know about this huge problem the game has, my mother(who has it for Xbox 360) texts me last night saying..." This F ing game keeps freezing....etc(more too it but best not to say) so i know for a fact 360 has as many problems as PS3, just many are not as bad as ours.

That's 'Murica for you.

"There's one slice of tomato too much on my burger, I'll [censored] sue you for 100 million dollars!"

This one is even better:

"My game is so laggy, I DEMAND RETRIBUTION! Gimme all your money for ruining my life with this laggy game!"

Yes that seems to be a fitting anology... except one thing... This burger costs me $60 of money i dont have to just blow here and there, and now my enjoyment from the game i PAID FOR no longer exists, so yes if i had bout a burger and got 1 bite into it and then all of a sudden it no longer existed or just exploded i would be made, i would without a doubt want my money back.

1. None whatsoever. It would not make it to the courthouse. The game has been in release for a week. Has the proposed litigant exhausted any and all standard remedies regarding a problem with a defective product? Have they requested a refund and been denied? Is the merchant seeking to make good on any such software defect in a reasonable timely manner (hint, they just posted they are pushing out a patch next week.) Attempting any sort of "class action lawsuit" at this time would result in a major spank down of any and all plaintiffs for wasting the courts time because you could not have immediate gratification with regards a perceived problem.

2. No. Once again, it doesn't matter whether or not there is a software bug. The court doesn't care about that. The court will look at whether there is a mechanism in place to resolve such bugs within a reasonable time frame (since this isn''t a life or death situation, this reasonable time frame will typically be measured in MONTHS). It is a networked gaming platform in which they can routinely push out patches and bug fixes. They just announced the second one will be out the week after Thanksgiving. The court will also look at what the warranty or return options offered by Bethesda are? Can a customer who does not wish a patch ask for a refund? (but if it gets to the court, the Plaintiff will see about 35 cents of that after his lawyers take a bite.

3. Bethesda's reaction. Request a summary dismissal of any such lawsuits. Bethesda has very very good lawyers.

Rather than waving our angry little overly entitled fists of litigation at Bethesda, send a politely worded letter via snail mail. You know one with a stamp on it. Explain the problem that you are experiencing and request assistance or a remedy.