Over 26,000 People Voted And More Than 75% Experiencing Prob : V - Skyrim

» Wed May 16, 2012 3:10 am

I appreciate what you're saying there, but at the end of the day, no matter its complexity Bethesda are still obliged to put out a working product if they're going to expect gamers to cough up ￡43/$60 for it.

What state would the industry be in if developers and publishers were allowed to keep putting out [censored], broken games, then we - the consumer - forgive them because 'come on guys, it's haaaard'.

As it is, Skyrim should be a better game than all 3 of those combined. As it stands now, I know at least 2 of those are better games because I've been able to actually sit down and play them as they were intended, without being penalized for maybe liking it more than the developers thought they could get away with.

Oh, there's absolutely something wrong with the game. I'm just saying that giving a game that works perfectly fine for 20 hours of gameplay is a far cry from robbing someone, the term "liztaylorsghost" was using.

So to be clear your argument is that a broken product is better than a working product so long as that broken product is larger or contains more of something than its competition? So you would happily buy a truck with 4WD that doesn't run over a truck without 4WD that does run? You would happily purchase 1080p HD television that doesn't have a working picture over a 720p HD television that functions properly?

I just want to be clear on that before I answer your question.

In debate, your use of anology here would be termed a strawman. You are mistakingly comparing things that don't work at all with something that works for only a while for some people (again, I'm 45 hours into the ps3 version and loving it. I mean, I'm already forging daedric armor and I haven't fought a dragon yet, but the other stuff is a lot of fun. So to me, I'm unaffected except for not getting to see new towns and dungeons yet in order to keep my file save low). Most games don't even have 20 hours of gameplay with a fully working game. So even the individuals with saves too big to play have gotten more for their money than they normally do. Even then, from what I understand they're able to play for an hour at a time and then just have to restart the system.

So "robbing", the term I am specifically speaking up against, is an incorrect term to use here. Especially if Monday's fix legitimately fixes the problem. Then it's only a product that didn't work 18 days and then did work for the remaining years it is played. It's ok to be frustrated about the bug and even to speak up about it, but don't demonize a group of engineers and developers for making a mistake. What if everyone held you to the same standard? There are companies that do steal from their customers and use slave labor to make their products, this isn't even in the same ball park.

» Wed May 16, 2012 12:42 pm

Lol.

On another note.. i find it funny that beth is working on "dishonered"
I bet its about people who bought skyrim for ps3.

I feel bad for thinking the same thing when I seen the title on the gamesas page ;P

» Wed May 16, 2012 4:10 am

Oh, there's absolutely something wrong with the game. I'm just saying that giving a game that works perfectly fine for 20 hours of gameplay is a far cry from robbing someone, the term "liztaylorsghost" was using.

In debate, your use of anology here would be termed a strawman. You are mistakingly comparing things that don't work at all with something that works for only a while for some people (again, I'm 45 hours into the ps3 version and loving it. I mean, I'm already forging daedric armor and I haven't fought a dragon yet, but the other stuff is a lot of fun. So to me, I'm unaffected except for not getting to see new towns and dungeons yet in order to keep my file save low). Most games don't even have 20 hours of gameplay with a fully working game. So even the individuals with saves too big to play have gotten more for their money than they normally do. Even then, from what I understand they're able to play for an hour at a time and then just have to restart the system.

So "robbing", the term I am specifically speaking up against, is an incorrect term to use here. Especially if Monday's fix legitimately fixes the problem. Then it's only a product that didn't work 18 days and then did work for the remaining years it is played. It's ok to be frustrated about the bug and even to speak up about it, but don't demonize a group of engineers and developers for making a mistake. What if everyone held you to the same standard? There are companies that do steal from their customers and use slave labor to make their products, this isn't even in the same ball park.

Yeah... Nice save attempt, but that's all bullcrap.
Don't be sad though! It happens to me all the time.

» Wed May 16, 2012 11:10 am

I enjoy watching Liz show people how wrong they are. It warms my heart.

» Wed May 16, 2012 3:39 am

What's that Hines? Very few players are experiencing problems? You're full of it.

» Wed May 16, 2012 11:28 am

Mr. Hines has not responded to a single tweet (and there were a lot) referencing these articles. Pete...why do you keep doing this to yourself? Silence is not the answer, the truth would be a good place to start.

» Wed May 16, 2012 11:11 am

Mr. Hines has not responded to a single tweet (and there were a lot) referencing these articles. Pete...why do you keep doing this to yourself? Silence is not the answer, the truth would be a good place to start.

Thats what happens when the legal team tells you this is going to go to court so stop talking.

» Wed May 16, 2012 2:35 am

I think Bethesda perfectly knew about this problem but cant find the cause of it and are too afraid of telling this to their fans for making a lazy port to PS3.

The same code that works for Xbox(lets be honest, this game was made for Xbox in mind) is stable on Windows as Microsoft would implement the same or similar data structure in Xbox as Windows to save time (hence Xbox games are planned to work on Win 8), but a lazy done port to PS3 where they only changed control configuration and that crappy blur software and not doing proper optimising. It had to fail.

Of course I'm not sure if this is correct but we all can only speculate about it.

I can bet this issue won't be fixed in the patch. Its too good to be true.

And if it does fix it, will it come to Fallout3/NV as well? And what about those poor people without internet access to download this patch? Wait for GOTY release (which imo doesn't deserve) and spend another 60bucks on it?

They need to be hit hard so they can learn their lesson.

» Wed May 16, 2012 12:16 pm

Ever since this poll came out his twitter has gone silent. Over 24 hours now with nothing to say when he's usually tweeting all day long

» Wed May 16, 2012 3:35 am

Ever since this poll came out his twitter has gone silent. Over 24 hours now with nothing to say when he's usually tweeting all day long

Exactly. It's not that he's just ignoring our tweets about the issue, he isn't even updating his twitter with basic stuff pertaining to what he's doing like he usually does.

» Wed May 16, 2012 6:35 am

Its safe to say they completely ignored it...

Anyways, happy thanksgiving everyone!

» Wed May 16, 2012 11:07 am

They all went on vacation with their $450 million dollars in the bank
Guessing the top people will be getting huge Christmas Bonus for a job well done :shakehead: