Class Action lawsuit, anyone?

Post » Thu May 17, 2012 4:46 pm

I'm dead serious.

I'm willing to put up with small bugs and graphical anomalies. But this is not the case here. Bethesda has sold us a BROKEN game, and without so much as a disclaimer on the package stating that the performance may be unstable, or may improve with subsequent patching, etc.

Maybe it's my fault for not learning my lesson with Bethesda. I've been a faithful player since Morrowind. Oblivion (all 3 versions) was still a buggy mess even after patching, Fallout 3 on Ps3 surprisingly gave me no problems aside from the odd lock up here and there, New Vegas... no comment. At least Gamestop gave me my money back on that one. But this is pretty much the last straw for me and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Laugh all you want. Call me a "troll", "whiner", "noob", or any other cyber term that's used to label someone who brings up issues that lazier people can't be bothered to hear about because it doesn't affect them personally. But I truly think this calls for a class action lawsuit. There are thousands of us sitting here with $40-80 bucks missing from our wallets and a game that's nothing more than a drink-holder at this point.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 8:50 pm

The idea is good
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 12:21 pm

All Bethesda games are buggy. It's not like they knew that there'd be an issue with the PS3 version of the game with file save sizes. The latest patch has helped for many, but obviously quite a few still have issues. It's less than a month after release, these things will improve.

You can threaten to file a lawsuit all you want. You won't win, and will just lose a hell of a lot more than the £35 the game cost.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 7:12 am

I'm dead serious.

I'm willing to put up with small bugs and graphical anomalies. But this is not the case here. Bethesda has sold us a BROKEN game, and without so much as a disclaimer on the package stating that the performance may be unstable, or may improve with subsequent patching, etc.

Maybe it's my fault for not learning my lesson with Bethesda. I've been a faithful player since Morrowind. Oblivion (all 3 versions) was still a buggy mess even after patching, Fallout 3 on Ps3 surprisingly gave me no problems aside from the odd lock up here and there, New Vegas... no comment. At least Gamestop gave me my money back on that one. But this is pretty much the last straw for me and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Laugh all you want. Call me a "troll", "whiner", "noob", or any other cyber term that's used to label someone who brings up issues that lazier people can't be bothered to hear about because it doesn't affect them personally. But I truly think this calls for a class action lawsuit. There are thousands of us sitting here with $40-80 bucks missing from our wallets and a game that's nothing more than a drink-holder at this point.


Interesting but that would be considered a small courts case since its such a small amount of money under $500 not to mention its an individuality case not a group one. Sadly you can't do much, just wait it out, a judge or lawyer would laugh at you in all honesty considering the other party has already offered you compensation by promising a patch to fix this in a week, which isn't a long time. however if they never really fix it and its a few months later you might have a neglect case but that's not worth much either, bottom line wait and do something else a post like this holds no value or point just let it be and be patient its hard but you will be able to play again soon hopefully...
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 6:27 pm

oh my god i'm having troubles to but this isnt aron brokovich you dont have cancer you got a bad game try n get your money back iz rediculous
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 9:05 am

Best thing to do: just vote with your wallet the next time a Bethesda game comes out. Buy it only when it's at half price and the bugs are patched out, and DON'T TRUST day-one reviews...
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 5:42 pm

and without so much as a disclaimer on the package stating that the performance may be unstable, or may improve with subsequent patching, etc.

That's actually an automatic given with the video game industry. There's an extremely high percentage of PS3 games that need some kind of patching during their lifetime to function as they were originally intended to. It's most definitely not grounds for any sort of lawsuit.

Think about this logically for a second. Even if it did come to a class action suit and you won (which is extremely unlikely in the first place) each plaintiff at a maximum would be awarded $60. Considering it'd be probably be tied in the courts for years, the lawyer fees over the whole suit would easily eat up half of that or more. So you really want to spend potentially years to get less than half your money back for a product you could wait a few weeks and sell on eBay for at least 40?
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 9:58 am

Interesting but that would be considered a small courts case since its such a small amount of money under $500 not to mention its an individuality case not a group one. Sadly you can't do much, just wait it out, a judge or lawyer would laugh at you in all honesty considering the other party has already offered you compensation by promising a patch to fix this in a week, which isn't a long time. however if they never really fix it and its a few months later you might have a neglect case but that's not worth much either, bottom line wait and do something else a post like this holds no value or point just let it be and be patient its hard but you will be able to play again soon hopefully...

Thank you, Jacob, for your response. I did neglect to mention that I didn't expect this game to be fully fixed within the week. But look at Oblivion: They basically abandoned the game after the final patch and it was still a buggy mess. New Vegas, even after a year, is a complete mess of a game. But at least with both of those games, you could still potentially finish the quest lines, albeit while dealing with crashes, freezing, etc.

Skyrim is a different story. There are literally game crippling bugs in many of the quest lines, and judging from many of the posts on this forum, it's not just the main quest line. I, myself, have experienced a completely game-haulting bug in the "Liberation of Skyrim" quest. I'm also willing to put any amount of money down on that particular issue NOT being addressed in the next patch. Or the one after that.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 3:06 pm

wow
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 4:43 pm

Interesting but that would be considered a small courts case since its such a small amount of money under $500 not to mention its an individuality case not a group one. Sadly you can't do much, just wait it out, a judge or lawyer would laugh at you in all honesty considering the other party has already offered you compensation by promising a patch to fix this in a week, which isn't a long time. however if they never really fix it and its a few months later you might have a neglect case but that's not worth much either, bottom line wait and do something else a post like this holds no value or point just let it be and be patient its hard but you will be able to play again soon hopefully...

You're actually wrong, sir... Sorry... The reason for FRCP 23 is to specifically permit the class action benefit of pursuing otherwise trivial claims. The aggregate is what makes FRCP relevant, it provides a unified voice for otherwise paltry sums. If you are curious, look below:


–––––––––––––––––––––STEP ONE FOR CERTIFICATION–––––––––––––––––––––
For Certification, first must satisfy ALL of (a), Four Prerequisites:

(a)(1) — Numerosity
Must be so large joinder is unfeasible.
No consensus on how “large” is large enough;, some have said 25 others have said no to 350.
Has included geographical dispersion as well as actual size.
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––AND–––––––––––––––––––––––––––
(a)(2) — Common Questions
There must be at least (one) question of law or fact common to the class.
Commonality defeated if separate proof to establish liability is needed.
NOTICE: Requires common questions, not the absence of individual ones.
Thus, being discriminated against, but for varying amounts of damage, is still ok.
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––AND–––––––––––––––––––––––––––
(a)(3) — Typical Claims
The claim or defense of the rep. must be “typical” of those of the class.
E.G. if most have lost only a few hundred and the rep has lost thousands, would fail typicality. Basically, same incentive and motives.
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––AND–––––––––––––––––––––––––––
(a)(4) — Representation
The rep. must fairly and adequately protect the interests of the class.
Rep must have stake in litigation
Relationship between rep & lawyer must be straightforward.
Lawyer should have no conflicts that would cloud representation.
INSUFFICIENT—Real reason was to pursue class action to gain leverage in their own case.
Lawyers must be sufficiently skilled and equipped w/ similar case.
A 50-year criminal attorney won’t necessarily be good w/ Class Action.

–––––––––––––––––––––STEP TWO FOR CERTIFICATION–––––––––––––––––––––
Then ONE of B must be satisfied, Three Categories:

B(1) — INCONSISTENCY **Cannot opt out, will be bound**
(A) Would produce inconsistent results that would establish incompatible standards of conduct for opposing party
E.G. one party sues to block bonds, another sues to insist they go forward w/ limited size. If one suit orders cancellation, and another merely orders a limit to size, there would be a risk of incompatible standards of conduct.
–––––––––AND–––––––––
B Would impair interests of members of the class who are not actually a party to action.
E.G. Association wishes to prevent financial reorganization. If one member sues individually and loses, the reorganization will proceed—since validity was determined by court. The reorganization will thus spread to all members who wished to prevent it, without having a day in court.
MASS TORT: Interests impaired attempting to recover damages from Defendant of limited financial resources.
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––OR–––––––––––––––––––––––––––
B(2) — INJUNCTIVE OR DECLARATIVE
If “party opposing the class has acted or refused to act on grounds that apply generally to the class, so that final injunctive relief or corresponding declaratory relief is appropriate respecting the class as a whole.”
Generally reserved for civil rights cases where discrimination against a whole class is alleged and injunction prohibiting discrimination is sought.
How much incidental monetary relief a class can seek before action ceases to be primarily injunctive needs to be considered.
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B(3) — MONETARY **Can Opt-Out, Notice IS required**
Question of law or fact predominates over any questions affecting only individual members
–––––––––AND–––––––––
Class action is superior to other available methods for fairly and efficiently adjudicating the controversy.
FACTORS DETERMINING “SUPERIOR”:
Interest in Individual Control — Members interest in individually controlling prosecution or defense of separate actions?
Existing Litigation — Extent and nature of already begun litigation by or against class members.
Concentration in One Forum — Desirability or Undesirability of concentrating litigation in one particular forum.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 9:04 pm

Also, product liability is likely out because of the "economic loss rule" applicable to tort claims. Unless, of course, you can find a state forum that supports a broad lemon law (consumer protection) which abrogates the aforementioned common law. Breach of contract is possible, potentially, by arguing Bethesda's warranty is a stock contract of adhesion susceptible to an unconscionability defense. =)
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 9:58 am

Yeah, you can discuss legal stuff elsewhere.
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