Okay we all know the Dwemer who are well the dwarven people and then one day they all disappear now i think there is topics on this but uh do you find it really strange similarities to the myth of Atlantis who are an advance civilization and they just disappear

now i think that's not the case we all know what happen to Atlantis but the Dwarven civilization yeah not so much

but anyways a group of my friends are debating about is the Dwemer civilization similar to the advance civilization of Atlantis?

i would like to hear your comments below

can someone explain to me how sea people and underground people share the same myths? lol

Speaking as someone who has looked into the topic of Dwemer AND Atlantis extensively...

There's not really a lot of similarities. Sure, the Atlanteans were a greatly advanced civilization, and so were the Dwemer, and both civilizations disappeared, but the similarities end there. We don't even know for certain that Atlantis was real. And if it was, we don't know where it was, what really happened to it, or anything like that. The Dwemer, on the other hand, we know they existed, we know a fair amount of information about them, we can visit their ruins and look around, and if you really do the research, you can find out what happened to them and why they disappeared.

lol i read into Atlantis and the Dwemer people in books and such it's my friends that need the help lol and thank you by the way

Velorien's comment doesn't preclude, however, that some 5th- or 6th-era photomaturgographer might make a children's movie about the lost city of Dwem.

If we believe that the Atlanteans were actually the Minoans, which I hear a lot, than volcanoes play a role in both civ's disappearances. Santorini for Atlantis/Minoans and Red Mountains for the Dwemer.

I think it's just a common fantasy trope of the 'lost' civilization. Not that Dwemer aren't much more than that, but I think that's about where the similarity ends, apart from the supposed Atlantean propensity for metal-working and using a magic metal called orichalcum...

From Critias by Plato:

"The zones of earth were surrounded by walls made of stone of divers colours, black and white and red, which they sometimes intermingled for the sake of ornament; and as they quarried they hollowed out beneath the edges of the zones double docks having roofs of rock. The outermost of the walls was coated with brass, the second with tin, and the third, which was the wall of the citadel, flashed with the red light of orichalcum."

Yokuda's Atlantis.



More like you can come to a fairly reasonable postulation of what happened and why they disappeared, but yes.

1 - The Dwemer were not Dwarven people. That's a misnomer applied to them for unknown reasons but possibly a name the Giants had for them that stuck. They were a race of Elven people of average height, with similar features to Altmer but usually bearded and robed. They were a race of artisans, engineers and agnostics.

2 - The only comparison between them and Atlanteans was that their deeds causes their culture to disappear. With the Dwemer their destruction was more total, though. Not just their physical bodies but their very souls disappeared. They're not in any known outer realm. Even stranger, one was spared. "Word of God" states they became the skin of Numidium, but the closest any of the games comes to solving their mystery is Morrowind, and it was decided the race tried to merge themselves into one single god. Whether they succeeded or not, they all went bye bye during a very brief amount of time around the Battle of Red Mountain, and now you're as likely to find an honest politician as a Dwemer.

The answer is that they are an mythically archetypal "lost advanced civilization" who worked wonders both artistic and technological seemingly beyond the abilities of mortal man, and that their disappearance was attributed by other people, after the fact, to having somehow displeased the gods in their arrogance. However like all things in TES saying that they "are" anologous to a single real-world idea or people is woefully selling short the work done by the writers.

When is this ever not the case though, in any disappearance?

Except people are still left over from the Yokudan civilization, both on Yokuda and in the form of the Raga of Hammerfell. The only debate is to how it was brought down in which we have two theorys. Yokuda doesn't really fit Atlantis, other than most their land sunk.

The land sank in a terrible cataclysm. They had a tower called Orichalc. I feel the connection is pretty obvious. That there were survivors is irrelevant.

I think this also fits Atlantis mythology. I quite often see claims about Atlanteans moving to Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, etc.

This topic also made me think of the Antikythera mechanism. It isn't dated to same time as Minoans/Atlantis, but it does remind me of the Dwemer.

In any case, like all TES cultures, a 1:1 parallel w/ real world cultures is tough to come by.

Does anyone else think lost civilizations is a bit overused in TES (Falmer, Dwemer, Ayleids, Dreugh, etc)? It's not bad though because we all love dungeon/ruin exploration

Have we seen Dreugh ruins ingame?

Irrelevant? the Atlantian civilization, not just the land, was destroyed; their mystery prevailing for hundreds of years. How is it irrelevant when the Yokudan civilization simply moved on. Their culture, the language, everything about them simply changed where their ships made port where as Atlantis just ceased to exist. Atlantis has just as many parallels to Yokuda as it does to the Dwenmer.

I wish We would probably need a aquatic Vehkship to get there though or some help from the Maormer.

The Dreugh would probably be the closest anologue then. They lived underwater, and now we know next to nothing about them, they don't seem to have a civilization anymore. Still not a direct anologue though, just a close one.

Right, claims, based on what? do we have phsyical evidence of their culture or civilization surviving intact in these other cultures? or do they just meld into the culture they assimilate into? the Raga aren't the same, the Yokudans didn't assimilate, they drove the others out through conquest. The Forbears only began assimilating once they themselves were conquered.

At best, you can cherry pick what you like from Atlantis and apply it to the Yokudans, but Atlantis is the lost civilization, the Yokudans are not.