Will there ever be...

Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:23 am

So, even though this may be a long time away, if this game is successful and everything(which i think it will be) is there a possibility of a dishonored 2? or Sequel? I want to know because i am really excited for this game and i want to know if this franchise will continue after this game.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:36 pm

So far they are leaning towards no. Even Viktor Antonov said that there won't be a Dishonored sequel, but a game that is set in that universe. There will be no mention of Dunwall or any of the characters.

The game hasn't come out yet and you want a sequel? First let's see if the game is good and second of all if they don't bring a entirely new game but get on the bandwagon of AssCreed and CoD then I don't want a sequel to happen.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:05 am

Don't let strifecross see this thread! He hates the idea of a sequel! There is a possibility, we'll just have to wait and see. Although, it may be hard to do from a story perspective.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:04 am

There is no way to go story wise. If they pull some BS move on us just so they can make a sequel (like RAGE did) then I will hate the game just for that very fact. His reasoning is the thing I hate more than the fact of a potential sequel (let's talk about a sequel before the game is released), because like I said they are thinking of making the sequel outside of Dunwall and maybe traveling to the continent. Which is a good premise (I still don't want it but w/e) but it is not certain as of yet.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:42 pm

Raf might have been being polite to Geoff, but the end of the latest GTTV program implies there could be. Either that or he's confirming we'll see more of the isles in Dishonored presently.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:31 am

if the game does well and succeeds I, ironically, don't want it to have a sequel. Just like with movies there doesn't need to be a sequel to every game. It's my believe that if the first game nails it then the second game typically throws a lot of unneccessary things into the game and is typically forgettable. Bioshock 2 was fun for me and I liked having power in one hand weapon in the other at the same time but overall I can't remember anything about that game except the ending. I will be playing Bioshock Infinte however.

All and All if its like AC 1 where its boring and dull, then AC 2 comes along and improves on everything then sure I'd love to have a sequel. If its like Bioshock and Bioshock 2 then no thank you.

Edit: I forgot to answer your question, it does sound like they're leaning toward no. But who knows they might make Dishonored 2 after they work on there next project. And as far as the Gametrailers bit at the end, I think he's talking about DLC. In a GameInformer podcast from a year ago Raf mentions something about maybe doing DLC in the future for the title.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:26 am

I haven't had a chance to watch that bit over again, but that makes more sense.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:22 pm

Well it seems I have to go over this again. AC is a good sequel in terms of gameplay for the most part. In terms of story and the meaning the story brought up, hell no. It was vastly inferior than the first. The first game had amazing writing and great characterization. The second one didn't have any of that and just for that reason it will be inferior.

A great game can stand on its own no matter what it lacks, be it mod tools, multiplayer, DLC or sequels. A great game makes an impact without doing the same thing over and over again to the point of obscurity. Just like any great work of art it does not need to be continued and will say what it has to say on its own merits. Gamer have the biggest problem with this however because they do not seem to appreciate a great game. (well the best of us do but not all of us) To them it's just "oh, I played it and now everything why would I want to replay it?". And that's the problem. How can I play Deus Ex over and over and over and over again? How can I play the first Assassin's Creed again and again and don't even want to touch the next ones and keeping in mind that the game was very repetitive. Simple, I value a game and see experience its worth by playing it again. Even though I know everything I constantly combine mechanics to have an enjoyable time and that's what great games do. Just like Dishonored is intended to be designed.

Also from a story perspective they should do Corvo's story in one game. There is no reason story wise to make another. This game is about his revenge and we are up front in center. Making a game (THAT IS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE CALLED "Dishonored" BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STUPID) placed in the game's world would be great. There is a lot of room for creativity there.

I do not to talk about how bad sequels are for the industry. And seriously you can't really call them sequels. They are just upgrades. A sequel should improve on the technology, fix previously existing issues, polish the best mechanics out of the first one and give us a continuation of the franchise. That is what a sequel is and no one is doing that. That is why I do not want a sequel for any game, especially Dishonored!
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:29 pm

So far they are leaning towards no. Even Viktor Antonov said that there won't be a Dishonored sequel, but a game that is set in that universe.

That's still a sequel.

The game hasn't come out yet and you want a sequel? First let's see if the game is good

Agreed. If there is a sequel though, I want it to be a more classic look at ninja-type characters. By moving it to the continent they could easily have an eastern-style civilization, and suddenly you're literally a ninja in first-person, and one of your time-bending powers is catching arrows.

Making a game (THAT IS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE CALLED "Dishonored" BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STUPID)

Why? In the setting I described, the game being called Dishonored makes more sense than anything else. There are about a million types of honor, and dishonor to match each one. NOT calling it Dishonored would be stupid because they would lose fans in transition.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:43 am

If we do see any form of a sequel, I would greatly prefer it to be in the same universe, but not following the story of Corvo.
Agreed. If there is a sequel though, I want it to be a more classic look at ninja-type characters. By moving it to the continent they could easily have an eastern-style civilization, and suddenly you're literally a ninja in first-person, and one of your time-bending powers is catching arrows.
I highly doubt that that would happen. The Pandyssian Continent is largely uninhabited, save for a few trading posts and explorer camps. I doubt that there would be a civilization there, and an eastern ninja type game would not be Dishonored, it would be a steriotypical ninja game. Dishonored is a unique world, and there would not be eastern style ninjas in it. Also, honestly, I wouldn't like a game like that.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:08 pm

The Pandyssian Continent is largely uninhabited, save for a few trading posts and explorer camps.

Yeah, according to people from the islands who literally just started tiny bits of exploration like fifty years ago, and who don't actually know anything about the continent aside from a whole host of rumors that have existed since before they even left their little bubble in the corner of the world.

I doubt that there would be a civilization there, and an eastern ninja type game would not be Dishonored, it would be a steriotypical ninja game

That's stupid. Dishonored was literally created with the idea of being a "ninja game," eastern-style setting included. There is nothing more "Dishonored" than ninjas. Just because we happen to have a story about a western one doesn't mean that he's not a ninja, and uh, honestly? When was the last time you played a game that was actually about being a ninja? Ninja Gaiden doesn't count, so Tenchu? Only those games haven't been good since the last real one in 2003, and were also third-person just like every ninja game ever.

Dishonored is a unique world, and there would not be eastern style ninjas in it.

First of all, it's pretty presumptuous of you to say something like that considering you know just as much as I do about the setting. Being a "unique world" has done nothing to prevent the setting we will find ourselves in from being a carbon copy of industrial revolution-era England. The history and lore is unique. Nothing we've seen of the "world" so far looks unique at all. There's literally no reason to believe that there couldn't be eastern-style civilizations in the world, unless you think that this tiny section of islands is the only settlement on the whole planet.

Also, honestly, I wouldn't like a game like that.

Opinions, etc. But really you're saying that even with awesome gameplay you would skip out on it just because you don't like the setting? I just can't imagine hating any setting that much. Did a ninja kill your family?
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:53 pm

Yeah, according to people from the islands who literally just started tiny bits of exploration like fifty years ago, and who don't actually know anything about the continent aside from a whole host of rumors that have existed since before they even left their little bubble in the corner of the world.



That's stupid. Dishonored was literally created with the idea of being a "ninja game," eastern-style setting included. There is nothing more "Dishonored" than ninjas. Just because we happen to have a story about a western one doesn't mean that he's not a ninja, and uh, honestly? When was the last time you played a game that was actually about being a ninja? Ninja Gaiden doesn't count, so Tenchu? Only those games haven't been good since the last real one in 2003, and were also third-person just like every ninja game ever.



First of all, it's pretty presumptuous of you to say something like that considering you know just as much as I do about the setting. Being a "unique world" has done nothing to prevent the setting we will find ourselves in from being a carbon copy of industrial revolution-era England. The history and lore is unique. Nothing we've seen of the "world" so far looks unique at all. There's literally no reason to believe that there couldn't be eastern-style civilizations in the world, unless you think that this tiny section of islands is the only settlement on the whole planet.



Opinions, etc. But really you're saying that even with awesome gameplay you would skip out on it just because you don't like the setting? I just can't imagine hating any setting that much. Did a ninja kill your family?
Okay, I might have been a bit... blunt. Firstly, Dishonored is a game about an assassin, not a ninja. One could argue that those are the same thing, but I feel that they are different. There could be a civilization on the Pandyssian Continent, but if there is, I don't feel like it would resemble a real-world eastern civilization. I have no theory as to why, it's just a feeling. If anything, I feel it would resemble an Aztec or Maya culture. If they do make a "ninja game" I feel that it would be too trope-y. In Dishonored, you aren't just an assassin - you are an assassin with supernatural abilities in a unique world. I feel that a ninja game wouldn't be made unique well, if that makes any sense.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:31 pm

It's a big damn world they've created here. Though a sequel to Corvo's quest for vengeance, as far as I understand, would feel tacked on, I'll still be mildly disappointed if we don't see more of this fascinating and bizarre place fleshed out.

Still. Better to stop too soon than too late.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:36 am

If we would argue semantics then I am going to call each game Drama from now on. Don't be an idiot, you know exactly what I meant when I said "don't call it Dishonored again". And frankly things like putting a number on a title is something I personally hate. The title fits perfectly in this case, no reason to make another story similar to that just so they can keep the title. And yeah I meant it was a sequel, sorta misspelled there.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:44 pm

Also both terms "ninja" and "assassin" are pretty vague. Ninja does things silently and an assassin kills people. That's about it. So Corvo is both. Also saying that the world isn't unique means nothing is because everything is inspired from something if you look closely at it. I really don't care at this point, Dishonored will probably disappoint us in some aspect and I wouldn't care about it two months after release so you can all have your multiplayers and mod tools and w/e. If we get a sequel soon after the first one it won't be a real sequel and my point will still stand. That's it.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:48 am

That's what I thought a Pandyssian focus would be like also, Mak.

Edit: That took twenty minutes to register as posted on my end. JHC.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:59 am

If set in the same universe, then perhaps the Dunwall armies discover a new continent and colonize it and suppress it's people. To go with the ninja theme, maybe this other civilization could be like fudal Japan with the samurai (to whom honor is very relevant). An arrogant high ranking general (fencing champ) kills your family including your precious son who was training in your samurai footsteps and kidnapped your teenage daughter for the general's concubine. Throw some horses in there and you have your "sequel". But seriously, it could be an historical parallel to the end of the samurai with the introduction of firearms to Japan.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:01 pm

If set in the same universe, then perhaps the Dunwall armies discover a new continent and colonize it and suppress it's people.
There already is another discovered continent, the Pandyssian Continent.
But seriously, it could be an historical parallel to the end of the samurai with the introduction of firearms to Japan.
The Last Samurai! That might actually be... pretty cool! But I still feel it wouldn't fit the feeling and vibe of Dishonored.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:44 pm

Yeah, oh well just brainstorming. But agreed that in terms of plot, sequels are pretty contrived be it movies or video games.

If Dishonored is everything it makes itself out to be and more then a sequel isn't needed.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:18 pm

True because you can't play games when your face has melted off, and that's in the warning after the standard epliepsy thing, "Your face may melt off."


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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:50 pm

The only reasons I can think of that Arkane would even consider a sequel are:

A) They've created a whole world with a New World style continent across the pond. They've put in so much thought they've even given names to every month in this fictional world, plus its own contrasting religions. I suspect they were probably just having fun creating the world but it still seems a little odd to paint such a broad canvas when the game takes place in one city.

B) They said they cut out a fair amount of powers during development...perhaps to save some for the next game?

C) Just because Arkane have never made a sequel to their games doesn't mean they didn't want to. I believe they were planning a sequel to Arx Fatalis and had discussed a Dark Messiah sequel with Ubisoft.

D) If it came to pass that Arkane wanted to make a Dishonored sequel set in the same universe, I'm sure they would want to create a similiar stealth game with the same player choice, player authorship values since thats the exact kind of game they love to play and love to make. So if there was a sequel I'm sure it would be in the same vain as Dishonored but they would probably call it something like "Dishonored: Cult of the Colon [insert funnier title here]".

All in all I agree with strife. I'd rather everyone waited till the game came out, its played and either achieves success or falls short before this talk of sequels...its just too early.

For me there's also a certain irony in people celebrating this game as a much needed new IP only to start wondering about a sequel months before its even out.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:58 pm

C) Just because Arkane have never made a sequel to their games doesn't mean they didn't want to. I believe they were planning a sequel to Arx Fatalis and had discussed a Dark Messiah sequel with Ubisoft.
I believe Dark Messiah was the spiritual successor to Arx Fatalis.

If they did make a sequel - big if - do you think it would have Mass Effect style carryover choices and consequences? Would you load a save from the original? It would somewhat make sense, but could also be completely avoided. What do you guys think/which would you prefer?
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:54 am

The only reasons I can think of that Arkane would even consider a sequel are:

A) They've created a whole world with a New World style continent across the pond. They've put in so much thought they've even given names to every month in this fictional world, plus its own contrasting religions. I suspect they were probably just having fun creating the world but it still seems a little odd to paint such a broad canvas when the game takes place in one city.

:cool: They said they cut out a fair amount of powers during development...perhaps to save some for the next game?

C) Just because Arkane have never made a sequel to their games doesn't mean they didn't want to. I believe they were planning a sequel to Arx Fatalis and had discussed a Dark Messiah sequel with Ubisoft.

D) If it came to pass that Arkane wanted to make a Dishonored sequel set in the same universe, I'm sure they would want to create a similiar stealth game with the same player choice, player authorship values since thats the exact kind of game they love to play and love to make. So if there was a sequel I'm sure it would be in the same vain as Dishonored but they would probably call it something like "Dishonored: Cult of the Colon [insert funnier title here]".

All in all I agree with strife. I'd rather everyone waited till the game came out, its played and either achieves success or falls short before this talk of sequels...its just too early.

For me there's also a certain irony in people celebrating this game as a much needed new IP only to start wondering about a sequel months before its even out.

It amuses me that your second bullet translates into an emoticon.
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Post » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:06 pm

So far they are leaning towards no. Even Viktor Antonov said that there won't be a Dishonored sequel, but a game that is set in that universe. There will be no mention of Dunwall or any of the characters.
I respect them for that. They seem intent on pushing the boundaries and doing something original with their games.

But yes, let's just get this game first. :)
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