I have a problem with killing Parthonaax. There is no storyline reason. He is likable, he is trying to amend his old ways and is no long on the side of Alduin. Yet the blades are so against this guy that they won't even help you because you let him live. Even though they admit from the very beginning that protecting you is their job. Forget about the dragon you can call up and fight for you. He don't matter. Just Parthonaax They refuse to give you their little blessing. Parthonaax gives you better blessings through the words of power.

Then there is the questline for the vampires. the Dawnguard are again mad whiny killers that wanna kill vampires. I would almost compare them to the Blades. Step over to the Vampires. The vampires are more curtious, converstional, you get special powers, for better or worse, But no real reason to kill them in fact they are so likeable you want to join them.

I see a pattern here and i wonder what the quest writers are trying to say.

Paarthurnax was a warlord in Alduin's time. He was a 'lieutenant,' and although he claims to have changed his ways since is still guilty of mass-murder and subjugation on an epic scale.

As for the vampires, they kill people every night of the week.

In the words of a disgruntled Turian, "You humans are all racist."

Bethesda had a real chance to create an interesting situation with Paarthurnax, and completely botched it. They didn't even give Esbern and Delphine any real dialogue to describe their position. A chance to present the case for letting Paarthurnax live would have been nice.

And, you're the Dragonborn. Who does Esbern think he is?

your right!!!! maybe Esbern is just having a bad day maybe his arthritis is acting up again or "someone stole his sweet roll."

I could never kill Paarthurnax, he's my best friend besides Shadowmere and Barbas, wish they would let us summon him to fight beside us instead of the other Dragons...

The blades really devolved in Skyrim, Morrowind: A powerful spy network who aid the Emporer in secret.
Oblivion: A powerful warrior order who devout their lives to protecting the last Septim.
Skyrim: Two idiots who want you to kill the creature that helped you save the world.

None of my 4 characters have killed Paarthunaax. I can't bring myself to do it. He's too cool.

Vamps, on the other hand, are a JOY to kill. I revel in wiping the floor with their broken, shattered carcasses.

The only reason to kill Parrthurnax is if you buy into the Blade's idea that the only good dragon is a dead one. Paar *did* do unspeakable things when Alduin was in charge, but he's also the one to help humanity master the Thu'um, as well as guiding the Greybeards so that it would not be misused. Not to mention the whole 5,000-year-sitting-on-a-mountain-and-do-nothing thing. However, Paar is up front in saying that he, essentially, can't be trusted as dragons have an inborn need to rule. But the afore-mentioned 5,000 year wait pretty much shows that you could at least trust him as far as you could throw him.

Of note is that the Blades say that they won't aid you if you refuse to kill Paar... despite them being sworn to protect and serve the dragonborn. The Greybeards won't help you out if you kill Paar... but they have a very damn good reason not to.

The scales, as presented in-game, are heavily weighed in sparing of Paar. At least with the Civil War, you can effectively argue for supporting either Ulfric or the Empire. Here? The reasoning for killing Paar is on extremely shaky ground.

Esbern is the only likeable one of the two. i think he is only saying you have to kill Paarthurnax because Delphine is such a witch with a b. I almost want to do a Dark Brotherhood contract on her but I can't. 'sigh' HAIL SITHIS!

The 2 aren't comparable in my book. Paarthurnax is actively seeking repentance for his crimes. The vampires are remorseless monsters that need to be put down.

RP wise, if lets say...one of the vampires as part of the storyline killed off one or two of the members of your favorite factions say Vilkis from the companions or the last remaining guy from the Dark Brotherhood, (Babette would obviously be spared) as examples. Then it would be more personal and then i would say down with the vampires. But you just decide to up and kill vampires because are evil and must be eliminated. There is no real personal catylist to want to be fanatical about it.

Agreed 100%. Their logic is absurd and honestly I think the REAL reason they want Paarthurnax dead is to land a blow to their rivals the Greybeards since neither faction likes the other. If the mother fking dragonborn says no, and they stop aiding him/her, what then? Are they just a Blades splinter group now, because real Blades would honor the Dragonborn still. Should've let us kick them out of Sky Ruler Temple, not the other way around!

They could have expanded on that as well. and put you and parthunaax in a much bigger position. Especally if the Greybeard wanted to do something against the Blades. But the Blades again come out to be the jerks because they are the only ones who want to cause trouble. The Greybeards certainly don't.

This is like letting Hitler live because after 100 years he turns out into being a nice wizard because he is trying to amend his old ways. Its cool though since Hitler gives you blessings!

Hitler would have been like Alduin, Parthunaax is more like Rommel.

So Draugrs=Nazis. I knew it!

When you know the Hitler in question is going to go on a killing spree at some point...


Nazi zombies?

And since vampires are in this conversation....

Nazi zombie vampires?

Do they svck blood or eat brains? Do they still discriminate?

Screw CoD Black Ops!! Ye don't need to play that for some Nazi Brain Eaters! Play Skyrim! Stop hidin' behind ye machines ye lazy motherf**kers!

It's just the time where you have to choose the better-good over the temptations of the opposite. Or something.

Paarthanax himself isn't 'evil', but he DID commit atrocities in his past, and served Alduin himself. But if you choose to side with him and give into temptations... you're better rewarded. Morally, it would have been wiser to choose the Blades, at the cost of better rewards.

Same thing with the Dawnguard and Volkihar.

If Osama Bin Laden helped America take down another terrorist group, should he have been allowed to live? Many people would say no, he doesn't deserve to live cause he has commited atrocities himself.