Deceiving The Herd: Markarth Edition (By the Nine someone he : V

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:16 am

Ok, so I'm siding with Harkon for this particular playthrough, and I'm working on Deceiving the Herd. My target city is Markarth, and BY THE GODS I CAN'T FIND ANYONE who fills the "important person" role. I've run all over that cursed city, killing and attacking all sorts of people. It seems, irritatingly enough, that the people deemed "important" enough to fill that quota are essential and therefore cannot die. I read on another forum that someone owned Ogmund; I found him in the Silver-Blood Inn but I can't get him to go outside so I can kill him "in the streets".

Any idea who else would be "valuable" enough to kill but not not so valuable that I might regret killing them later?

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:48 pm

You could just kill anyone and be done with it. Quintilius is unfortunately essential, no matter who wins the war, I tried to knock him off long ago. You have two blacksmiths, is a blacksmith classed as important enough? I only did the killing in Whiterun, and did take out Mr I am so important, that snob Nazeem, who it turns out was not important enough, but I was happy with it.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:45 am

You could just kill anyone and be done with it. Quintilius is unfortunately essential, no matter who wins the war, I tried to knock him off long ago. You have two blacksmiths, is a blacksmith classed as important enough? I only did the killing in Whiterun, and did take out Mr I am so important, that snob Nazeem, who it turns out was not important enough, but I was happy with it.

It seems everyone who gets the Whiterun Edition of this quest kills either Heim-whateverhisnameis or Nazeem XD.

Eh, I've decided I'll lurk like some furry cat pedo (Khajiit ftw!) and wait to see if Ogmund goes outside. If he doesn't within a reasonable amount of time I'll just shoot a random guard with mah Crossbow lol.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:03 pm

It might fail you for a guard, how about that horrid corpse eating merchant that sells meat?

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:46 am

The bloodiest beef in the Reach.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:24 am

I killed the meat selling guy at the front gate. got credit for killing someone important. Merchants are counted as important people in that quest.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:20 am

It might fail you for a guard, how about that horrid corpse eating merchant that sells meat?

Funny thing about him...during that questline, I decided to Ice Form the stuff on the table for the fun of it. A trailing edge caught one of the cannibals and they all attacked me, so...I kinda killed them all. Including that merchant ^_^

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I killed the meat selling guy at the front gate. got credit for killing someone important. Merchants are counted as important people in that quest.

I tried killing the one chick who sells jewelry but it said I failed the "important person" part of the quest. I'm assuming it's only certain merchants considered important enough.

It almost seems like the people who count are essential and can't die, or are needed in some Misc or side quest of some kind. Screwed one way or another. I'm still stalking Ogmund, hoping he'll leave the inn soon lol.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:50 am

Your first issue was accepting that quest in the first place. I make it a rule that I don't accept quests that make me kill NPC's for horrible rewards. Bad enough that the vampire attacks are killing towns but now I'm the one doing the killing

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:01 am

Your first issue was accepting that quest in the first place. I make it a rule that I don't accept quests that make me kill NPCs for horrible rewards. Bad enough that the vampire attacks are killing towns but now I'm the one doing the killing

Well, it's not like I had any idea what the quest would entail before I accepted it, and Bethesda made a pretty big oversight in not giving you the option to fail quests on purpose by either refusing them or dropping them from your Journal. I really wish I could fail quests on purpose to get rid of the Paarthurnax quest, since I have 0 intentions of killing him.

Ogmund finally ended up leaving the inn, so I managed to kill him and he counted as an important person. He was just a random bard and I highly doubt he would have been a part of any quests. Watch, people will reply with a laundry list of quests he's involved in now...

I've never had problems with Vampires annihilating my towns/cities. There's been a minor attack on Whiterun and I THINK an attack on Riften, but the Vampires were ripped to pieces by the Guards before they'd barely had time to fully spawn.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:34 pm

I honestly think that the excessive Vampire Attacks are a glitch. I have only run into attacks once or twice on each character, and never had an NPC die from them.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:15 am

Ok, so I'm siding with Harkon for this particular playthrough, and I'm working on Deceiving the Herd. My target city is Markarth, and BY THE GODS I CAN'T FIND ANYONE who fills the "important person" role. I've run all over that cursed city, killing and attacking all sorts of people. It seems, irritatingly enough, that the people deemed "important" enough to fill that quota are essential and therefore cannot die. I read on another forum that someone owned Ogmund; I found him in the Silver-Blood Inn but I can't get him to go outside so I can kill him "in the streets".

Any idea who else would be "valuable" enough to kill but not not so valuable that I might regret killing them late

I got it in Markarth, by far the hardest place, but one of the food stalls. The bloke who sells meat, he's classed as important.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:47 am

I got it in Markarth, by far the hardest place, but one of the food stalls. The bloke who sells meat, he's classed as important.

I'd hate to have to meat the un-important people of Markarth.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:39 am

I got it in Markarth, by far the hardest place, but one of the food stalls. The bloke who sells meat, he's classed as important.

Lol, like I said before, I already sorta kinda murderpated him back in the quest for Namira's Ring lol. Ogmund was the only other person who counted as important enough that I could find.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:11 am

Go for merchants that sell food or other useless things ussaully there run kiosks in the open.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:36 am

Merchants.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:48 pm

Not all merchants count as "important" for this quest though; like I said, I tried killing the one woman who sells jewelery, but she wasn't flagged as important.

At any rate, it's done and over with Ogmund's death, I just had to lurk long enough for him to leave the inn.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:30 am

If you kill a guard, the only change is different dialog when you return the quest.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:41 am

Not all merchants count as "important" for this quest though; like I said, I tried killing the one woman who sells jewelery, but she wasn't flagged as important.

At any rate, it's done and over with Ogmund's death, I just had to lurk long enough for him to leave the inn.

doesn't she die anyway?(when you first enter the city) unless you saved her.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:01 am

This is a repeatable radiant quest. I just murder a guard and get it over with. I don't even bother wearing the Dawnguard gear. I just do a stealth kill and plant the note. Not even worth messing with a bounty.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:12 pm

doesn't she die anyway?(when you first enter the city) unless you saved her.

Nah, it's not the merchant that dies, it's some random Imperial chick that gets killed. At least I think she's an Imperiall a spy, iirc.

This is a repeatable radiant quest. I just murder a guard and get it over with. I don't even bother wearing the Dawnguard gear. I just do a stealth kill and plant the note. Not even worth messing with a bounty.

I know it's a radiant quest, I just wanted the satisfaction of actually killing someone deemed important lol. But I'll probably just have fun offing random guards in the future.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:52 am

isnt that elf douch important since hes the leader of the justicars?

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:45 am

LOL. I'll have to try him next time and see.

/gladly takes bounty for the chance to kill Thalmor