(This topic is a little lengthy, but has to be in order to fully explain this so it can be understood, so bare with me please.)


The only thing Dawnguard did for me was make me get so fed up and aggravated, to the point that I have now lost all desire and drive to play it. Even though I know what to do now, it's way too late for that now, any hope of me having fun with Dawnguard has been destroyed. I am absolutely disgusted and so beyond fed up with the [censored] Bethesda keeps on pulling in their games and with their DLC.

Let me Explain:
I pre-ordered and got a midnight release of Skyrim, so I've had it since day one. And since Day one, there are multiple factions at war with each other
Stormcloaks and the Imperials, Battleborn and the Companions, and these lead into the Cival War and crap like that. BUT REGARDLESS NO MATTER WHAT FACTION YOU JOIN, they are always done the same exact way. which is this:
1. You can right from the start, literally walk up to the leader of ANY faction, and talk to them.
2. Whenever you see the sentence of "JOIN (INSERT FACTION)" in ANYONE'S DIALOG, when you select it, you have now joined THAT FACTION.
3. Upon joining a specific faction via the dialog option, you are now LOCKED OUT OF THE OPPOSING FACTION.
4. Finally, you never ever once ever, go talk to an opposing factions leader, to join the opposing faction. (Example, you do not talk to the Stormcloaks if you are going to join the imperials or the Battleborn leader to join the companions)

Now how all that fits into Dawnguard is very simple:

Since it's announcement, Bethesda has been advertising Dawnguard as having 2 OPPOSING FACTIONS that are at war with each other, and that you can JOIN EITHER FACTION...(Sound Familiar)
The Two Factions are as follows:
The Dawnguard
and
The Vampires

HERE IS THE PROBLEM:
When you start Dawnguard, you get a journal Entry to go to Fort Dawnguard and talk to the leader of the Dawnguard...(Sound familiar).

So far this follows Skyrim's normal on going procedure for joining a FACTION:

Continuing with the problem:
When you finally speak to the leader of the Dawnguard, you basically only get presented with only 2 DIALOG OPTIONS that really do anything, and they are as follows:
1. Join Dawnguard
2. Leave Conversation

Ok so you may be asking yourself why is this such a problem...Simple I want to do the VAMPIRE faction side of Dawnguard, NOT THE DAWNGUARD faction side of Dawnguard.

Now what happens in Skyrim when you select the dialog option "JOIN (INSERT FACTION)"... that's right, like every other faction and instance in Skyrim, Selection Join (Insert factions) makes you now LOCKED INTO THAT SPECIFIC FACTION thus locking you out of the OPPOSING FACTION. Sorry but because of how Skyrim has their factions and way to join their factions set up to be joined, anyone looking for the vampire faction WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER SELECT THE DIALOG OPTION IN THE DAWNGUARD LEADER'S DIALOG "JOIN DAWNGUARD" because like every Faction in Skyrim, JOINING DAWNGUARD will absolutely 100% lock you out from being able to do anything in the Vampire faction. So therefore you will not even be anywhere near FORT DAWNGUARD AT ALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

To further broaden the scope of this moronic DLC set up let me bring this up, even though every single Faction leader throughout Skyrim, can be walked up and talked to right off the bat, and you talk to them to join, there is no Vampire leader anywhere to be found in the game under the faction joining set up you have always been doing since playing Skyrim.

Finally, you add what I'm posting below, to all the above and you get this:
When you get a journal Entry to go talk to the leader of Dawnguard, what that says is because of how Skyrim has you joining factions, that you ARE GETTING A JOURNAL entry for ONLY THE DAWNGUARD FACTION SIDE OF THIS DLC, and you need the Journal Entry for the vampire side of Dawnguard to do the Vampire faction side of Dawnguard.

Now when I got Dawnguard I had absolutely ZERO Desire to do anything on the Dawnguard faction side of this, because I wanted the vampire faction side instead. So what wound up happening is that I went to the leader of Dawnguard and upon talking to him and saw he was ASKING ME TO JOIN DAWNGUARD, I said NOPE.. and I left in search of the Vampire Faction side. So because there is absolutely ZERO mention of them changing the faction joining process, and no Vampire leader you can just walk up to and speak to like every other faction in skyrim, In the end I wasted countless hours looking around and trying to trigger a journal entry for the Vampire faction journal entry just like there was one for Dawnguard. So due to all those facts and factors I have listed above, I got so pissed off at this [censored] Bethesda pulled without warning, and not even having the courtesy of mentioning anything about it so you can know, that I cannot even force myself to bother playing this now. I'm so fed up with this that it's beyond too late for me to get any form of enjoyment out of it. If Bethesda wanted me to actually have fun instead of getting pissed off, they should have supplied this information to the player to begin with at it's release. I wanted to play this WHEN IT CAME OUT, not get put through this aggravating annoyance.

Anyone mentioning I should have looked this up can kiss my ass...Why would I bother looking up how to join a faction when I've been playing Skyrim since it's release and have always joined Factions. So there is absolutely nothing to look up and absolutely no reason to look this up. This is something Betehsda should absolutely have said on the screen in the game as well as not even bothered advertising it as it's just 2 opposing factions in the game in this fashion. Betehsda absolutely should have told every single player EXACTLY how to go about joining the VAMPIRES faction instead of this cluster screw.

And anyone who says the stupid comment of "IF I JUST DID THE FIRST QUEST I WOULD KNOW" or anything else like that clearly does not understand the concept of what it means and what happens when you see and select JOIN (Insert Faction) in a faction leaders dialog.

FYI because of how you join every faction in SKYRIM and when you join that faction it locks you out of the opposing faction YOU WIND UP JOINING THAT FACTION LOCKING YOU OUT FROM the opposing faction so anyone saying I should have just done the first quest after that is an idiot and because first of all Bethesda didn't bother even telling you this is what had to be done, and secondly YOU WOULD BE LOCKED OUT FROM THE VAMPIRE FACTION if you selected JOIN DAWNGUARD just like you would any other faction you joined in Skyrim. So just refrain from saying such stupid comments as that.

In closing, Betehsda needs to learn how to keep their games consistent and make the procedure for doing something exactly the same throughout every part of the game wither it's the main game, or any DLC.
And this isn't the first problem of this nature I've run into with Bethesda. I had these same exact inconsistency issues with the following:
It took me 6 weeks real time to learn how to purchase furnishings for my houses in Oblivion because Bethesda didn't bother keeping the buy options in the person topic title like they did with buy a horse, buy a house, I had to call Bethesda game support to get the first 6 quests in Shivering Isles Finished because they put a quest item on a class specific weapon, and because I was not that class I never picked it up and was looking for something that Bethesda made players aware was something other than what it was, I played Fallout 3 for 3 months without ever knowing Rivet City was IN THE SHIP, because Rivet City is not only mislabeled, but when you fast travel to it, you do not even get placed inside the city like you're suppose to like every other place you fast travel to in Fallout 3, I aslo couldn't even continue the main quest after getting to Megaton because Lucas Simms never tells you anything even though people think he does (Don't know eher people get that crap from but he doesn't say one thing about your father, and no does he ever tell you to go to Moriarties bar and talk to morarty about your father..again fals information people somehow came up with also due to a specific instance that happened to me in the main game of Fallout 3 that never should have happened, I was never able to get to the entrance of Operation Anchorage because I couldn't find it even though it was on my map

The only thing Betehsda has been consistent about, is that they are inconsistent and it's become overly annoying because all it does is kill any fun factor because I get more fed up than I having fun and it's all because Betehsda doesn't keep consistency in it's programming as well as falsely advertise things that go against how they have it originally programmed, then never bother even hinting to it like they should

The first quest for the Dawnguard ends up leading you into the Vampire's stronghold. There you have the option of joining or rejecting them and returning to the Dawnguard.

So...

tldr: you didn't like the DLC.

btw, you should have looked this up and researched it before spending money on it, especially because you clearly formed your own expectations of the product. There was a DLC you didn't fully understand; you bought it; you're disappointed. Where is the fault here? I can tell you right now that it isn't with Bethesda, kind sir.

well I'm confused but I did skim it, gotta go in a second, so I'll be back to reread it I suppose.

But it sounded like a wave of confusion out of a choice to look up spoilers I'd assume? I dunno again I'll reread.

Although I do agree the setup of the DLC was kind of unusual in how the story progressed.

I kinda agree. Just yesterday someone asked on another forum: how do I join the vampires, the only quest I have is "Join the Dawnguard" and that's not what I want. He was confused and actually ran to every city to check if he missed anything. So yeah, it should have been solved differently. As a vampire I don't want to have anything to do with the Dawnguard, as a vampire hunter I don't want to take Serana home.

This really underlines how stupid the beginning of this DLC really is. Can't really blame the OP for being pissed and puzzled.

haha
So, because you are impatient, Bethesda "screwed-up" ??

The Dawngaurd guy doesn't really make it sound like you're joining when you do the first quest. And what better way to meet new vampires then go investigate what they are up to?

This. I am really sorry OP but you really sound as someone who wishes that there would be big neon sign everywhere, learn some patience , also you said that if you chose in Skyrim fraction than you are locked from other.... But Dawnguard is only case in whole skyrim where you can found fractions that oppose each other

ALL of you saying impatient is moronic. Spending countless hours is not impatient, it's aggravating.

As for the moron and anyone else who said do the first quest, you're all idiots and none of you have any concept about what it means, or what happens when you see and select the JOIN (Insert Faction) option in a faction leaders dialog.

As I said before, after using the join faction procedure in every faction in Skyrim, I do not care how you are or what you say, anyone who is looking to join and do the Vampire faction in Dawnguard, is absolutely under no circumstances ever going to even remotely come close to even think about selecting the JOIN DAWNGUARD dialog option in the Dawnguard leaders dialog. ESPECIALLY AFTER JOINING THE FACTIONS IN THE MAIN GAME OF SKYRIM. And anyone who says they did is either lying or a complete and utter idiot who doesn't understand what the concept or what happens when you select JOIN (Insert Faction) in a faction leaders Dialog.

So again stop being an idiot and saying things there is no way to know due to how Skyrim has it's faction system set up to be joined then acting like I'm the one who didn't follow something correctly.

I followed the same exact procedure in the Dawnguard DLC as I did with every other faction I wanted to Join in Skyrim.

So it's Betehsda's fault for Changing the procedure and then not having the courtesy of mentioning it, or providing fully detailed explicit instructions on how to join the vampire faction in Dawnguard.

the beginning just lacked all logic really regardless of what side you intended to be.

There were some holes in logic throughout the rest of the story but, the beginning was just the most blunt and obvious.

Before Dawnguard no fraction have you locking from other so there goes your logic

Oh really if you seriously think that then you're not playing Skyrim.
Still want to try and argue then without CONSOLE COMANDS OR CHEATS Why don't you through normal game play means and go join BOTH the Battleborn AND the companions at the same exact time and then try to do the same with the Stormcloaks and the Imperials, and then not only see how far you get, but let us know how well that works for you.


All of you saying impatient is moronic. Spending countless hours is not impatient, it's aggravating. So learn the definition of impatience.

As for the moron and anyone else who said do the first quest, you're all idiots and have absolutely ZERO concept about what it means, or what happens when you see and select the, "JOIN (Insert Faction)" option in a faction leaders dialog.

As I said before, after using the join faction procedure in every faction in Skyrim, I do not care how you are or what you say, anyone who is looking to join and do the Vampire faction in Dawnguard, is absolutely under no circumstances ever going to even remotely come close to even think about selecting the JOIN DAWNGUARD dialog option in the Dawnguard leaders dialog. ESPECIALLY AFTER JOINING THE FACTIONS IN THE MAIN GAME OF SKYRIM. And anyone who says they did is either lying or a complete and utter idiot who doesn't understand what the concept or what happens when you select JOIN (Insert Faction) in a faction leaders Dialog.

So again stop being an idiot and saying things there is no way to know due to how Skyrim has it's faction system set up to be joined then acting like I'm the one who didn't follow something correctly.

I followed the same exact procedure in the Dawnguard DLC as I did with every other faction I wanted to Join in Skyrim.

So it's Betehsda's fault for Changing the procedure and then not having the courtesy of mentioning it, or providing fully detailed explicit instructions on how to join the vampire faction in Dawnguard.

Battleborns are not fraction, imperials and Stormcloaks are part of civil war so okay but you can still change your sides after first mission. So i hold my argument also theres no need to repete your own post nor theres need to call someone a moron simply because he have diffrent opinion,I didnt call you impatient because you spend countless hours, I call you impatient because your ready to say that dawnguard is awfull simply because they didint imidietly point you to fraction you want to join

i think they could have added a little more information to join the vampire side. In my opinion they should keep the way it is now, its all fine but for people that role play or were scared to click the join Dawnguard option, they also should have integrated a option were if u were already a vampire a messenger vampire would randomly visit you at some point in the game and possibly give u a quest. then it would have work't out pretty good i think.

dear op, i understand your reasons, but what about a simple research on the net before start the dlc ?

"how to join vampire side in dawnguard ?"

otherwise you're making the same mistake of bethesda here; take for granted something


and before you call me moron or idiot - you're talkin' to the great Cicero,remember

Do you really need to call people morons or idiots at every opportunity? I get that you're pissed, but do you seriously have to throw so many insults about?

I reported it.

Why are you on me about this, that idiot went out of his way and asked me to call him a name.Sorry but If you're going to be stupid enough to read you will get called a name for posting a specific comment, then post the exact comment you know will get you called a name. Then wtf are you complaining that you got called a name for?

Bottom line is he wanted to be called a name and asked me to do so, so I did, now I got you in here trying to belittle me for what they asked me to do.

This form needs to start paying attention to the ROOT of where things come from instead of just paying attention to the aftermath of things.

It's really simple, if you do not want to be called names, do not be stupid. END OF STORY.

Continually ignoring that will get you called names.. Pay attention to WHY the person is getting called names, instead of just focusing on the person getting called a name because I cannot stand forum losers who cause problems then all people do on forums is never pay attention to who caused the problem. All you do is get yourself called names for being stupid because you cannot pay attention to who caused the problem. Then you cry about getting called names yourself when your behavior of mentioning name calling is in itself is what got you called names for ignoring the actual troublemaker who actually caused themselves to get called a name.

So I'll make this really simple for you and everyone else to understand, if you want to get called names as well, just keep on ignoring that he caused the problem FIRST and just keep on being stupid and commenting on me calling people names.

I will not call anyone names if they are not stupid...Got that...Good. this isn't up for debate and I don't want to read anything else about it mentioning this to me by ANYONE (Moderator anyone) is going to be a seen as a personal attack and provication to piss me off and cause a problem with me and you will be attacked by me because I will be defending myself from a problem that you would be causing with me. So do not say anything to me about any of the name calling anymore. The person deserved it and asked me to...talk to them...End of story


Of course you reported me saying that but not the pinhead who provoked me by posting something I clearly said I would call someone a name for.. I expected nothing less, because you cannot stand the fact that I'm correct

I do not care how a DLC is implemented, what matters is making it playable so you do not have to find out from other sources other than the DLC, that it's just all screwed up.

So yes Bethesda is absolutely 100% at fault for me not being able to do Dawnguard, because they basically falsely advertising a DLC with 2 factions that get joined the normal way in Skyrim, then without bothering to mention they changed the procedure for joining said faction. And because of that instead of having fun with it, all it did was aggravate me and I'm sure I'm not the only one who get fed up with this because we're looking for something that there was no way in hell to know about wasn't going to show up. And when I finally did find out how, that just pissed me off even further.

Now the DLC for this has been absolutely destroyed for me because the fun factor should have been when I first started doing it, which would include Bethesda making sure people knew that the procedure for joining the vampire faction side of Dawnguard, had been changed.

Enough information should have been provided regarding this Instead of nothing at all and having topics like this get created

SO you spended money in a game you dont like, thats easy to solve dont play it anymore

Yes, Dawnguard should start with, dialog like this,: Yes lets check out what thouse evil spawn of night are doing!.... But if you would prefer to became vampire please go, here is their adress, money, i heard that this V guy is really nice fellad, woudle you lake a sandwitch for this trip?
Okay, sorry that was assholish of me but really I dont think this is enough to destroy fun of dlc, this cant even kick you from the mood for roleplaying

So i should report the guy provoking you into calling people names that are against the rules? i have no option on the matter as i havent played Dawnugard, all i saw was you calling someone a morron and an Idiot

Look, first off, your allowing yourself to get infuriated over a few hours wasted in a video game and taking it out by ranting in a forum.

Yes, joining the vampire faction wasn't as obvious as the other factions, but would it have killed you to look up what the problem was or go along with the Dawnguard quest to see what happens? Even though their was a bit of a plot hole there, I was glad for an intresting/new way to join a faction. And what do you mean, Bethesda should make sure that people know joining the vampire side is different from the norm? That would be a bit of a spoiler and I dont see how they would do that.

In other words, I think your over-reacting and are making a mistake if you let this little incident spoil other DLC for you.

alright I understand what's being said now I think...

So what OP is saying is that without spoilers one wouldn't know what to do if one were planning on being purely a vampire, based off of the idea on how you pick sides with other groups in the game. So saying, they broke a pattern and it confused them along with a FEW others, seeing how many of us don't think twice about whether or not to look up how to do something, we just do.

And if you can't think of a way of becoming a vampire without that story set up, well the story set up wasn't that great either on how you ended up on that choice. So... not much argument there.

They could have had something as simple as theres a rumor that some Lord is performing rituals to grant immortality to his subjects or some crap.



Either way, he isn't happy with the DLC which is fine. I wasn't quite satisfied with it either.

But, no reason to continue or argue against the guy. He expressed his displeasure and you can't really tell him it should please him anyways...

What's wrong with the first 3part quests Join Dawnguard, Awaken and Bloodline? There is something call "story telling" and those are things to build up the story as you don't start the story with bang with away.

You don't actually pick faction until you bring Serana home to castle Volkihar and It doesn't take long to do so even you decide to walk all the way to Castle Volkihar instead QT or take boat.

It is same thing as Civil war quest part, you were viewed as part of stormclock and were about be executed with them in the main quest. Base your logic, you should always go with Ralof and never accept help from Hadvar in Helgen, you also shouldn't never consider join imperial later on the game.

I agree with poster that say that you are impatient. You don't read the text, listen to npc and try to understand the story and situation. You just want action and become bad ass vampire lord and bring terror to the world right away.

Oh dear!

This is closed. If the OP wants to try again without calling other members names I suggest he reads the http://www.gamesas.com/topic/724862-forum-rules-and-general-information/ first.