Israns still alive! That's a first for skyrims guilds

EXPLAIN YOURSELF!!!!

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Astrid, Savos Aren, Mercer Frey/Gallus, Kodlak...

...Yeah, that sounds about right.

What do you mean?

What I mean is...

All Guild and Faction leaders have a high mortality rate. Only a small handful stay alive. Ulfric or Tullius, Arngeir, Delphine and now Israns are the only ones to survive. If i remember correctly that is.

Exactly what I'm getting at

I immediately started saying, 'UNACCEPTABLE!'

'Hey Lloyd!'

'MMMNNNWHAT!?'

'You're fired. Ya butt.'

Also the Bard College head survives, but that's hardly a guild.

This has been a favourite of Bethesda for some time:

Oblivion had the fewest: Hannibal Traven, Lucien.

Morrowind: Fighter's Guild head, (potentially) Mage's Guild head, (potentially) Morag Tong head, Telvanni head, Redoran head, Imperial Legion head/champion.

I haven't played morrowind but

OBLIVION AND SKYRIM SPOILERS BE HERE


Leader of fighters guild ( cant remember her name) retired.
Thieves guild leader technically alive but isnt the gray fox anymore.
Arch mage Traven dies.
Dark Brotherhood Ungolim ( technically leader) and Lucein ( not the leader but acts as it to you) killed.
Sheogorath turns into Jyggalag who you must defeat.
Knights of the 9, you become leader ( as the knights of the 9 were all dead)

Companions Kodlak dies.
College of Winterhold Archmage dies.
Thieves guild you kill Mercer Fay.
Dark Brotherhood you kill Astrid.

Dawnguard Isran IS ALIVE AND STILL LEADER!?!?!?!?!?!

Wow, I never noticed this. Now I won't ever be able to un-notice!!!!!

What? You can't do three missions and be named the new leader? That is so unlike Bethesda. What were they thinking!

ps - I guess I did kill Astrid, but she was rather crispy when I found her...

It's a welcome relief. The death of the guild leader has become too predictable in TES. I hope they don't keep killing off the main guild leaders in the next game. A better design would be for a guild to be run by a council, which you join at the end of the questline.

That would still probably end up with a death - One councillor would have to be removed to let you in.

I'd rather not be the leader of any of them. If you think about it just becoming a leader of any faction would really mean your adventuring days are over. You would spend the rest of your days sitting in the factions base, working on balancing the budget, recruiting new members, handling escalated issues as they come up. You would not be running off to fight dragons or join other factions to lead them also. I think it's great to join some factions, work your way up a bit in the rankings (like MW), but that is really all an adventurer would have time to do. Thinking you have to be leader of everything is beyond ridiculous.

If you think about it in practice

- Tolfdir really runs the show (administrative side) as Master Mage
- Night Mother issues the order, you are the "privileged" lackey
- Brynolf seems to do all the behind scene stuff in the Thief's Guild
- The Companion's Harbinger is not really a leadership role

Absolutely, Bethesda kills/gets rid of faction leaders like South Park kills Kenny.

It actually shocked the hell out of me. During every mission I was expecting to see this guy get killed. Even after we killed Harkon I was expecting some debris to fall on him or something.

Which is why he isn't included in the list of privileged few survivors.