I've been working on a mod (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=91838362) that adds some secondary effects to a few shouts.

In the case of Throw Voice, I added a summon decoy effect to the third word by

1. duplicating the Phantom Form Actor
2. creating a new magic effect which summons this actor
3. creating a new Voice spell which includes the effect for the third rank of Throw Voice as well as the new Summon Decoy effect
4. selecting the new Voice spell in the dropdown menu for the third word of the Throw Voice shout

This worked very well. However, when I tried something similar for Aura Whisper and Animal Allegiance, the secondary effects are not triggered in-game.

Any idea what I might be doing wrong?

Aura Whisper:

1. created new Voice spell which includes the effect for Aura Whisper's third rank, as well as value modifier effects for Fortify Sneak and Fortify Pickpocket (AlchFortifySneak, AlchFortifyPickpocket)
2. selected the new Voice spell in the dropdown menu for the third word of Aura Whisper

Result: Aura Whisper effect works fine, but there is no boost to Sneak and Pickpocket

Kyne's Peace:

1. duplicated the PowerImperialPacify spell (Voice of the Emperor)
2. created new Voice spell which includes effect for Kyne's Peace third rank as well as the new pacify spell
3. selected the new Voice spell in the dropdown menu for the third rank of Kyne's Peace

Result: Third rank of Kyne's Peace works fine, but the pacify effect does not get triggered.

Maybe because they are alchemy magic effects? I mean, effects for the potions, not for shouts?

Edit:
This one is a power, did you change it to a spell?

Thanks, SirRoland - perhaps that is the case, I tried creating a new magic effect, based on AlchFortifySneak, but changed the effect archetype to Value Modifier instead of Peak Value Modifier.

Looks like http://i.imgur.com/S1crE.jpg - perhaps I'm missing something else? When I test the http://i.imgur.com/kS5NO.jpg in the Aura Whisper spell menu, it lists the additional Sneak Boost effect, it simply doesn't work in-game.



Do you mean I need to make it so that the Equip Type is not Voice (even though it will be used in the Kyne's Peace shout)?

Here is the magic effect: http://i.imgur.com/HF6Y5.jpg
Spell: http://i.imgur.com/9hGvJ.jpg
Kyne's Peace 3rd Level: http://i.imgur.com/477nH.jpg

Here is an example of one that works, Throw Voice:
New Secondary Magic Effect: http://i.imgur.com/jFidr.jpg
New Summoned Actor: http://i.imgur.com/GdDCf.jpg
Spell: http://i.imgur.com/cBcGy.jpg
Throw voice 3rd Level: http://i.imgur.com/Z1oIT.jpg

Try to remove alchemy keywords from magic effect



No, I mean change it here:

to a voice power from just a power

Edit: although I don't think that you need ST_PowerImperialPacify at all, 3rd word uses only an effect, not the spell itself

Edit: if sneak effect still doesn't work after removing keywords, try to change assoc. item1 to sneak instead of sneakmod

I advise you to follow this steps:

1-Discover a SPELL that does what you want, vanilla
2-See the configuration and the magic effect
3-Use that magic effect with the same configuration in your spell
4-Test ingame

This is the best debugging I've found so far.

Good strategy, but there is no spell effect for fortify sneak, only potion and ability effects

Thanks very much for your help, SirRoland and BlackRL.

I've tried removing the keywords from the magic effect, as well as changing the associated item1 to Sneak instead of SneakMod, with no success. (Also tried adding a keyword for "MagicShout" which I've seen in some shout magic effects - this didn't work either)


Perhaps I need to make a simple Papyrus fragment to do this properly?

Hmm... this one is a hard nut to crack, isn't it?



Give it a try

By the way, does new Kyne's Peace work?

P.S. can you post a script, if aura whisper works?

Thanks - so far, only the new version of Throw Voice works, with the secondary effect to summon a decoy at the target location.

Still working on Kyne's Peace and Aura Whisper.

EDIT: Tried adding the following script to duplicates of the AuraWhisperExterior and AuraWhisperInterior magic effects - still not working but perhaps I'm closer

ScriptName ST_AuraWhisperFortifySneakPP extends ActiveMagicEffectEvent OnEffectStart(Actor akTarget, Actor akCaster)		akCaster.ModActorValue("Sneak", 15)		akCaster.ModActorValue("Pickpocket", 15)EndEventEvent OnEffectEnd(Actor akTarget, Actor akCaster)		akCaster.ModActorValue("Sneak", -15)		akCaster.ModActorValue("Pickpocket", -15)EndEvent

I think that if you use ModActorValue, you will be able even to get new perks (cast it, then go to skills, sneak will be 15 points higher without green color, so you can spend perks)

Thank you all for your help - it was the craziest thing, I restarted my PC and everything worked perfectly!

I'm told there is a sort of bug related to the "hotloading," where sometimes it's necessary to completely exit the Creation Kit before your changes become active in your plugin file when you go in-game.


Haven't tested to see whether it is possible to get perks, but the points are green for both Sneak and Pickpocket and I was able to set it up with a new magic effect based on AlchFortifySneak instead of this script.

I'm glad that you got it work

If you didn't use script, then it will be okay

P.S. thanks for information about exiting creation kit, I didn't know about it