really! he is the one who really won at the end of the main story in dragonborn. he got the secret of the skall n get rid of his renegade dragonborn. all this because of my dragonborn who do everything. really skyrim is supposed to be about choice but we got no choice here to work with him. little bit bitter of the end of that story. hope in a futur dlc they will have a quest that really give us the choice to work with him or screw him.

Would there be a point in the story if you could choose to completely win out? The plot was well done.. and you still won out along with Mora

Do you really believe you could screw over the Daedric Prince of fate and secrets? The very moment you met him again, he had won.
Be glad you are not Miraak.

Haha this.

you are the dragonborn the main character of the game. if you can not screw daedric prince what the point of playing. after all youre the one who slay the devourer of world. youre a dragon in a humans body after all.

well plaYERS who like mora its a cool ending. but for the other they just feel manipulated.

It's boring to be all powerful.
The point of playing is to get presented a believeable world. I am not on the "it's crap until I can kill every god" train.
Also, Daedric Prince > Dragon.
There are instances when it's logical to screw over a Daedric Prince, like when the Nerevarine destroyed an aspect of Hircine on Nirn or when Nu-Sheo (CoC) stopped the Grey March.
Dragonborn didn't present such an opportunity. The story was very well crafted to show the PC that he is not all powerful.
HM got the Lovecraftian vibe. For me, it would have killed immersion completely if a little mortal with the soul of an aedric lizard-angel would have been able to screw Mora.


You were manipulated by the Daedric Prince of fate and secrets. It's fitting.

i just hope he will never have a stash of school girls somewhere in his realm...

Hermaeus Mora is the Prince of Fate, and this round, probably alone of all of them, he won with a few conversations and two stabby tentacles. Since Lorkhan basically dikeed him in the bum by creating Mundus, you gotta give him one. And what a win it was.

EDIT: And as for killing him, well that's impossible. He's literally a force of nature powered by the belief in his existence. As long as there are secrets, and as long as people believe in fate, he will live. Killing his body, if even that were possible, will send him to the Waters of Oblivion to be ressurected on account of he's a Daedra, and is therefore truly immortal.

No, it's a cool ending even for those who don't care for Hermaeus Mora.. because sometimes it's nice to feel a little venerable.

How did Lorkhan screw over Mora through creating Mundus?

Actually, I got dialogue that placed me as Hermy's loyal servant, and I was rather pleased with that.
As a Battlemage obsessed with gaining power, how could I resist...?

Besides...Alduin is one thing...A Daedric Prince, an entity that can never truly die, on a level even Alduin could not attain, is quite another...

That is not dead in which eternal lies, and in stranger aeons even death may die...
And what comes of the waters of Oblivion, so too shall return to the waters of Oblivion...

To add to this:
Even in these cases, the Daedric Princes basically won.
Hircine got his hunt, no matter how it turns out, it was fun. That's all he cares.
And in Shivering Isles, you are Jyggalags tool from the beginning to stop the cycle and free him by mantling Sheogorath and taking his place in Oblivion, thus setting Jyggalag finally free.

It's not new that the Daedra win.


This.

The only daedra who doesn't win is Dagon, and the poor guy just never will.

And it was Martin/Akatosh who was the true hero here, not the CoC.
Well, at least we got the feeling to be the side kick.

you dont need to kill to screw someone the skall screw hormora for century with their secret until my dragonborn arrive n screw everything so we can screw hermora in many way.

...Butt kicked by Almalexia (hinted at in Tribunal)...Got his butt kicked in Battlespire...Got tromped by an Avatar of Akatosh...
He just needs to stop but...you can't frown at his tenacity.