In http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1432892-civil-war-discussion-roleplay/ thread, I asked following question:


This is the wrong thread to ask this... but did someone really asked himself what Beth will do with the situation? I mean our personal preferences put aside for the moment... and the fact, that of course everyone has asked himself that question... but I want to hear your opinions, anyways.
Nobody will "powerplay" and take over everything alone. I even doubt an alliance will win....

2 options in my book:

The/an Empire will be restored somehow, uniting Tamriel

or

The fragmentation of the Empire comes full cycle. There may be another war, but the factions will come to a stalemate. Maybe the Thalmor will be disbanded, but without destroying the Summerset Isles or even the Dominion necessarily. Only the extremists.

Maybe we can discuss this further in this thread.

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Actually, the Thalmor are a strange thing. To undo creation is new to the Altmer. It's an idea born out of necessity.
The Tower of Crystal-Like-Law connected them to Aetherius and to Auri-El, the Aedra who tought them Dracochrysalis, the way to leave the Mundus again, without destroying it.
During the Oblivion Crisis, the Tower was destroyed, the connection between the Altmer and their Lord severed.

The Thalmor are, on a metaphysical level, the direct conequence of this. They see no other chance for salvation than to undo reality, because Crystal-Like-Law is no more, the mythic spine of their people.

Maybe the next game sees a return to the old ways of Dracochrysalis, an Altmeri Chosen One, recreating the Crystal-Like-Law or something comparable.

My idea would be all of the provinces have there own type of government, an maybe at the start of TES6 we choose which province we start out at? (I doubt that though)

As I posted in the last thread, I think that with the Empire, it will come to and end. I think Tamriel will come to have independent provinces free of dominions and empires. This would present the devs with the ability to have, as ColonelKillaBee said, cultural development for everyone.

The "each province should be left alone" concept seems to be a popular idea.
As stated before, I totally agree.

I'm assuming Empire supporters would be primarily against it, but it seems to be at least something that Dominion and Stormcloak individuals can agree on.

There is liklely going to be a big alliance that is like the old Empire but it probably won't call itself an Empire. tullius and Ulfric will likely both end up dead and though there will be many rumors of how they died it won't be known. (Unless someone ends up writing a new Arcturian Heresy type book.)

What kind of alliance are you suggesting? More of an UNO?

I geniunely fear the direction Bethesda is taking with the Thalmor. They spent the whole game coercing us to hate the Thalmor. They leave no room for interpretation. They also assume that our player has to be sympathetic to the worship of Talos. They want us to view them as devils. The game presented the whole thing from a purely mannish perspective. The only way anyone can discover the truth of Talos' "divine acts" is from outside sources. I hate the way they make the Thalmor so black & white, which then leads the majority of players to sympathize with the Nords without giving the full picture. This then has the side-effect of the Altmer being hated for the actions of a political body. Which is yet another mannish(specifically Nordic) perspective. I understand it's Skyrim, but if Beth wanted to focus ONLY on the Nords as innoccent victims and the Altmer as evil then why even include them as a playable race?

The way I see it, Bethesda means for the Thalmor to be akin to Mehrunes Dagon's Daedric forces of Destrucion + the Mythic Dawn. The Thalmor are Evil and Talos is great and benevolent.

Something like that yes. I'm kinda thinking that when the other races (notice I don't just say men) do start getting along again it won't be all that different in practice than what the Septim Empire was. I kinda hopea different race has the crown though, and not Nord, Redguard or Orsimer or something....

My impression, my fear.
I also fear the independent Dominion will pay for the villain role of the Thalmor and being steamrolled...

The only way out would be a game on the Isles.
I stated it in the last thread:
Make the Player sympathize with the Altmer again!
Give them an alternative to the Thalmor, but keep the Dominion alive and independent.
Restore the mythic spine of the Altmeri people lost during the Oblivion Crisis (Crystal-Like-Law).

All this can be done with some Altmeri Chosen One figure.

I'm sure this would be good, but there would have to be some force that is opposing said "United Provinces of Tamriel" or UPT lol

If more people read rising threat, I'm sure that would make them sympathize with the Altmer. More insight to the people living under their shadow would help their image a lot.

I think the problem is people think Thalmor=Altmer. This leads to people not realizing that not all Altmer are Thalmor.

Finally a more interesting topic arises.
I also like this concept. The idea of all provinces governing themselves instead of being under an united empire pleases me. Leave my wood elves alone Thalmor.

I think the tidiest way for the Thalmor to be done away with would be for it to be overthrown from inside the Dominion. This would allow the Dominion to continue as a separate, and possibly renamed, state, and so preclude a return to Cyrodiilic hegemony. We could then return to a more morally ambiguous scenario, particularly if the Empire/other mannish forces decide to attack in the midst of this upheaval. Who's to say a reconfigured Dominion couldn't be a more benevolent regime than either the Empire or Stormcloaks, and so on what grounds can we support such an act of aggression?

Maybe a poll should be added with different options like
Free provinces
Imperial rule
Dominion rule
Other

I think an Akaviri invasion would set the stage well. A new Tsaesci, Kamal, or Ka Po Tun or whatever empire comes in and oppresses the crap out of the people of Tamriel. The plot of TES could revolve around forcing them out and liberating the people, united in an effort to repel the Akaviri. Tamriel, united in defense. Maybe a few traitors fight you, selling out to the invaders.

Would also set the stage for new races. I'd love to play a Tsaesci immigrant, seeing what his government is doing to the locals, unable to stomach it, and joining a rebellion.

What do you think?

In itself interesting.
Yet I would prefer for Beth to actually deal with the political mess they built up over the course of at least three games. An Akaviri invasion would pretty much reboot the political status of Tamriel.

How do I add a poll?

I think that would set the stage perfectly for the UPT. It would be nice to see the old grudges forgotten in face of this new threat. Very cool idea.

On the poll, I don't have a clue. Someone more informed might know.

Possibly the invasion does decide the situation. It could force them to band together, and also at the same time stop some Thalmor that are trying to destroy Mundus.

Click edit on your op, then click full editor next to post, and on your right at the top, you'll see manage poll.

Indeed. At that point, the Dominion can announce its removal from the Thalmor, stop the internal inquisition like tactics, and become a more respectable state. If the Khajiit and Wood Elves want to continue under New Dominion rule than so be it. Otherwise they can separate if they like as well (the way I see it, there's no point in continuing to rule over a hostile population, they need to be fully loyal or leave).