Is Ulfric Destined to Die?

Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:31 am

It strikes me as being strange that such a diverging storyline was created for the Civil War. Specifically, either Ulfric lives, or is beheaded. But how will that be handled in lore? Will Ulfric die early in battle during an expansion/some battle not in Skyrim? Will the $|^£ hit the fan during the next game and have a certain amount of history lost?

Will Bethesda troll its fans with a Dragonbreak so that Ulfric becomes Schrodinger's Cat and is both alive and dead? Thoughts?
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:58 am

He'll probably die fighting in a war with the Thalmor.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:34 am

Well since ulfric or Tullius can die, Well personally I think bethesda will just marginalize the choice and the civil war so picking a side for the civil war won't even matter.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:13 am

Well since ulfric or Tullius can die, Well personally I think bethesda will just marginalize the choice and the civil war so picking a side for the civil war won't even matter.

Gotta agree. Sounds like a Civil War DLC could work well. Either Tullius or Ulfric dies from an assassin or during a battle, and somebody else takes over. Or maybe the Empire and Stormcloaks both fall and all the human races become slaves?
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Post » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:32 pm

Both Tullius and Ulfric will die under circumstances unknown to the general public.

Like Wulfharth and Zurin did.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:24 pm

Dragon breaaak! Woot
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:38 am

Gotta agree. Sounds like a Civil War DLC could work well. Either Tullius or Ulfric dies from as assassin or during a battle, and somebody else takes over. Or maybe the Empire and Stormcloaks both fall and all the human races become slaves?
Personally thats what I want to happen the thalmor take over and then the game would be set in summerset isles and the main character and a group of npcs will start up a resistance and defeat the dominion from the inside. That would be sweet.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:08 pm

Well since ulfric or Tullius can die, Well personally I think bethesda will just marginalize the choice and the civil war so picking a side for the civil war won't even matter.
with the Dragonborn DLC showing
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that the Morrowind Mage's Guild Quest "Kill the Telvanni Councilers" and Bloodmoon's werewolf side of the Main quest didn't happen with canon with Neloth being alive and Captain Carius being premoted to General and being killed in the Red Year
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:00 am

Both Tullius and Ulfric will die under circumstances unknown to the general public.

Like Wulfharth and Zurin did.

And the oversoul of Tulius, Ulfric and Dragonborn is formed.. thus ironically joining the DB with one of the people he rails against on the forums.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:52 am

It's another Warp in the West moment. Both outcomes happen simultaneously. The only other solution is to never refer to the Civil War again in anything but incredibly vague terms.
Personally, I think it's fitting that Ulfric wins. The alternative doesn't advance the story in any meaningful way. Let Ulfric die a hero's death in a future showdown with the Dominion.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:12 pm

Personally thats what I want to happen the thalmor take over and then the game would be set in summerset isles and the main character and a group of npcs will start up a resistance and defeat the dominion from the inside. That would be sweet.
That's a great idea. The present state of affairs in Tamriel is fertile ground for the next game.
with the Dragonborn DLC showing
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that the Morrowind Mage's Guild Quest "Kill the Telvanni Councilers" and Bloodmoon's werewolf side of the Main quest didn't happen with canon with Neloth being alive and Captain Carius being premoted to General and being killed in the Red Year
Typical gamesas laziness. God only knows what kind of havok they will play with the lore in TESO
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:59 am

Typical gamesas laziness. God only knows what kind of havok they will play with the lore in TESO

Not even the same people.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:25 am

Not even the same people.
...Which makes the probability of trashed lore nearly 100%.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:35 am

i don't think they let ulfric take over skyrim, because this should mean the end to the empire. i don't think they let the empire die... or maybe?
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:38 am

I think Ulfric would die ultimately.. I think in the lore following this game, it will just say that Skyrim was in an on and off civil war crisis.. In which Skyrim will be partly owned by the Imperials and partly owned by a Nord government..
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:09 am

I don't think Bethesda will go into deep detail on the civil war. Meaning that when they talk about it, they won't get into specifics. It'll be vague enough that Ulfric wont have to die, They probably wont even mention who's the high king. One thing I do think will happen no matter what is Skyrim being independent,
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:11 pm

...Which makes the probability of trashed lore nearly 100%.

You don't really even have to acknowledge it, I know I'm not considering it part of my TES universe.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:49 am

I think the canon ending will be something of a status quo. Skyrim remains in the Empire but with considerable degrees of autonomy and Ulfric as High King. Stormcloak army is annexed by the Imperial army but people of Skyrim fight in their own units and are commanded by their own officers. So, in a way both sides win.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:58 am

You don't really even have to acknowledge it, I know I'm not considering it part of my TES universe.
I will never play it. As long as a bunch of WoW goofiness doesn't bleed over into future TES titles, I could care less.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:35 pm

I think the canon ending will be something of a status quo. Skyrim remains in the Empire but with considerable degrees of autonomy and Ulfric as High King.

This can't happen without the Empire refuting the WGC and as a result being in an immediate state of war with the Dominion. The main sticking point between the Stormcloaks and the Empire is the Talos ban, as long as Skyrim remains in the Empire the ban will remain in effect until the Empire refutes the treaty. The Stormcloaks are not going to accept the continued rule of the Empire with any amount of local autonomy if it means they must still honor the WGC, and the Empire cannot continue to rule Skyrim and avoid war with the Dominion unless they keep enforcing the ban. The Empire is not ready and/or willing and/or able to go to war with the Dominion, if they were they would be doing that instead of letting half of Skyrim revolt over their continuing failure to do so.
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Post » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:32 am

Technically yes, he is destined to die. Because just about everyone dies sooner or later.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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