Enchanting and Soul Trap is Evil

Post » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:24 pm

The process of making an enchantment is by binding soul to the item, meaning steal someone soul and use it to bind magic into an item. Isn't that not sound evil to you? It actually related with Conjuration and Necromancy, both is not my favorable school of magic in TES world.

No matter if we only trap soul from the enemy who want to kill us, but the practice of stealing their soul for our gain is totally not compelling and disrespectful. Not to mention that i never see any enemies who cast Soul Trap on us or using Soul Trap enchanted weapon against us, i mean if our character die, never shown got Soul Trapped even by the most evil enemy in the game.

In Oblivion, at least we hear some complaint regarding Soul Trap practice, it is from a Red Guard mage in Cheydinhal, Trayvond...he says

"....I still have strong prejudices against necromancy, summoning, and illusion. Profaning the remains or souls of the dead is just wrong. And I'm uneasy about tampering with other's minds and trafficking with Daedra."

But in Skyrim i am yet to see some arguments about Enchanting and soul Trap practice by anyone...

It just...like there is no alternative for enchantment other than involve in Soul Trap...in Dragon Age, enchantment is by using Lyrium, a mineral of magic, "magic in it's raw form" as according to the lore. This mineral that bind runes to items making the items magical. If there is alternative like that in TES world, it is pleasing....it remove the guilt for making enchantment, using and wearing enchanted item....

Think...we wear robes/armor that have someone soul bind into it....

Oh yes, doesn't the Dwenmer robots actually become "alive" because of Soul Gem in them? Isn't that Necromancy and not science?
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:39 am

Only with human, elf, and beast race souls. Those souls go to the Soul Cairn, as seen in Dawnguard, not a pleasant place.

Arkay Himself endorses soul trapping of lesser creatures :hehe:
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:29 am

Yes. It is. But in case one missed what you just stated, one glance at an enchanting table should help.
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Post » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:18 pm

The arcane arts in general know no alignment and as a result gives mercy to neither good nor evil. It is indiscriminate and cold but useful and beneficial to those who treat it with temperment in all of its forms. The arcane arts are not for the faint of heart or the meekly minded.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:46 am

And this will be the next removal of content from the series.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:17 am

The process of making an enchantment is by binding soul to the item, meaning steal someone soul and use it to bind magic into an item. Isn't that not sound evil to you? It actually related with Conjuration and Necromancy, both is not my favorable school of magic in TES world.

No matter if we only trap soul from the enemy who want to kill us, but the practice of stealing their soul for our gain is totally not compelling and disrespectful. Not to mention that i never see any enemies who cast Soul Trap on us or using Soul Trap enchanted weapon against us, i mean if our character die, never shown got Soul Trapped even by the most evil enemy in the game.

In Oblivion, at least we hear some complaint regarding Soul Trap practice, it is from a Red Guard mage in Cheydinhal, Trayvond...he says

"....I still have strong prejudices against necromancy, summoning, and illusion. Profaning the remains or souls of the dead is just wrong. And I'm uneasy about tampering with other's minds and trafficking with Daedra."

But in Skyrim i am yet to see some arguments about Enchanting and soul Trap practice by anyone...

It just...like there is no alternative for enchantment other than involve in Soul Trap...in Dragon Age, enchantment is by using Lyrium, a mineral of magic, "magic in it's raw form" as according to the lore. This mineral that bind runes to items making the items magical. If there is alternative like that in TES world, it is pleasing....it remove the guilt for making enchantment, using and wearing enchanted item....

Think...we wear robes/armor that have someone soul bind into it....

Oh yes, doesn't the Dwenmer robots actually become "alive" because of Soul Gem in them? Isn't that Necromancy and not science?

While it may be rude to steal someone's soul, if they were trying to kill you, I think they probably have no regard for life as is, much less for their souls.

I think the only reason they don't cast soul trap is because the game doesn't allow for them to do so. I think it would have been cool had they had enemy mages cast it on us. More immersive.

Also for an alternative, you could either buy already enchanted weapons or just heavily smith your weapons or use poisons.

As for the dwemer animatrons, I think they are power by filled soul gems, but they are scientific because they had to build a robot that could be powered by souls. And I'm sure as logical as the dwemer were they probably had no qualms playing necromanacer.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:25 am

Yes. It is. But in case one missed what you just stated, one glance at an enchanting table should help.

Yes...the Enchanting table itself have a skull on it...showing it is not magic in sense of "white magic", it is dark in nature....

The arcane arts in general know no alignment and as a result gives mercy to neither good nor evil. It is indiscriminate and cold but useful and beneficial to those who treat it with temperment in all of its forms. The arcane arts are not for the faint of heart or the meekly minded.

Maybe, but there are magic in the TES world that not involve in such thing, and Tyronvond a Red Guard can tolerate some types of magic and he's a master in Alteration. Not to mention that in Oblivion, Necromancy is banned. But in Skyrim it is not and the most powerful magic in Skyrim is Conjuration, yet we never hear anyone argue about it.

If we have followers, they never say something when we rise the dead becoming zombies.
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Post » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:30 pm

Strange, isn't it? I always thought the Dwarves didn't believe in magic or otherwise hated it.
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Post » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:40 pm

And if you feel so strongly about the topic, build a character around it - a "no enchanting/no using pre-enchanted gear" playthrough. Sounds like it could be challenging. :shrug:
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Post » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:32 pm

Strange, isn't it? I always thought the Dwarves didn't believe in magic or otherwise hated it.

Dwarves? Which ones?
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Post » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:59 pm

While it may be rude to steal someone's soul, if they were trying to kill you, I think they probably have no regard for life as is, much less for their souls.

I think the only reason they don't cast soul trap is because the game doesn't allow for them to do so. I think it would have been cool had they had enemy mages cast it on us. More immersive.

Also for an alternative, you could either buy already enchanted weapons or just heavily smith your weapons or use poisons.

As for the dwemer animatrons, I think they are power by filled soul gems, but they are scientific because they had to build a robot that could be powered by souls. And I'm sure as logical as the dwemer were they probably had no qualms playing necromanacer.

Enemy trying to kill us never justify the Soul trap practice, for me...because we kill them in self defense, no need to go further tormenting their soul in a gem then bind them on weapons and items...it is more to "revenge and profit" sound, something related to selfishness and dishonor.

Either buying or enchant our self is the same, buying enchant items means we agree with the practice and encourage the Enchanters to steal someone souls making their products. in Oblivion, Enchanters can be paid to recharge our enchanted weapons, i come to think how many souls they have steal? Smithing is not as powerful as enchantment, sadly, smithing plus enchantment becomes more powerful.

When we search the Dwenmer robot, we always get Soul gems inside them, that is why i think they become alive is by Necromancy, and not a scientific product. Maybe it was an ancient knowledge that making robots via magic in the past. The mechanical maybe look like scientific product but the thing that move it is magic...maybe it is like Golem
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:04 am

Dwarves? Which ones?

Dwemer, Dwarves. I commonly change between the two because I've known them to be referred to both ways throughout the series by various NPCs.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:27 am

I do think it's a shame that there isn't a less morally dubious alternative means of enchanting in the Elder Scrolls.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:08 am

Strange, isn't it? I always thought the Dwarves didn't believe in magic or otherwise hated it.

yes it is strange, i only think about it recently, because each of those robots carry Soul Gems, for what? That comes to my theory that they are similar to Golems...maybe in the past they are actually people or animal or anything that being sacrificed into robots...?
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