I didn't add a poll since the polls consistently favor Balgruuf every time. Anyway, I obviously want Ulfric Stormcloak as the High King. He demonstrates through his cw quest line that he does have patience, and his dialogue shows that he's not just some War mongering idiot who doesn't care about his people.

Ulfric-"Is a man ever ready to give the order that will mean the deaths of so many?"


Ulfric-"They are still weighing things in their hearts"
Galmar- "Whats left of Skyrim to wager?"
Ulfric-"They have families to think of."

The man isn't power hungry. Talk to him and listen. He wants power not for the sake of power. He wants it so that he can make a difference in his land. You may say he should have used diplomacy and killing isn't right to make change, but this is not a democracy, and he did try talking. Toryyg said nothing to him when he risked his life by speaking borderline treason. The man isn't perfect. His capture by the Thalmor, and by Tullius show that. But he's clearly learned from those mistakes, as he stopped Tullius one of the best militry mind Cyrodiil has to offer in a stalemate in Skyrim. Not because of homefield advantage either. The Empire knows Skyrims lands well, and Tullius has Nords helping him out too. So obviously Ulfric isn't incompetent.

Whether you agree or not, he's no racist. Argonians are kept out to avoid conflict with Dunmer due to the hist and their occupation of Morrowind, and the Dunmer were in the Grey Quarter, once called the snow quarter long before Ulfric was alive. He's too busy with the war effort to change their situation right now, and even if he wasn't, its not his responsibility to do so. Skyrim's agreement with the Dunmer was that they would live in the city, but watch and govern themselves independent from the Nords. That was their price for free room and board that even Nord poor were not offered. Don't forget that even the new Windhelm Jarl admits even he can't really do diddly squat for the dunmer right now. And if he's racist why are there Altmer merchants in his city? They're doing well for themselves. And there's even a dunmer who doesn't harbor hate for the Nords at all, and would rather prove his worth through hard work than do what his brother does and harp on about injustices, as he put it.

And Dunmer are the last people to call anyone racist...As are the Imperialistic Cyrodiilics.

So yea, Ulfric has my vote. How about you?

Last thread

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1444349-high-kingqueen-of-skyrim/

It means nothing. Firstly, we dont know lorewise how many soldiers either side has. The representation in game is obviously shrunken. Secondly, the amount of noncombatants as I stated earlier drastically outnumbers the amount of non combatants every time. The npc amount in game cant possibly show this accurately, so neither you nor I can make an accurate judgement either way.

Edit: Actually I can prove SC does have a lot of support to start a war.

Tullius- "They can't take Whiterun. They don't have the men."
Rikke- "My reports say otherwise sir. More join Ulfric's cause everyday"

Even without a poll, Balgruuf is more favorable than Ulfric.

anyways, Why not have a Werewolf as High King?

Which is why I didn't include one. We already know polls about Jarls always have Balgruuf win.

I wanted to add this before first thread reached it's limit;

Empire is currently playing "strategic". They are bending their knee to AD, "for the better tomorrow", they are forcing Nords in Skyrim to stay hush, while true sons of Skyrim are being killed and tortured by Thalmor, who will get to you for no reason and say; "He's a Talos worshiper." If you had interactions with them, you'll see how easily they claim you're a heretic and point their swords at you.
Empire can go back to Imperial city, and tell those people how to live, who to worship and whatnot. True Nords don't believe in "better tomorrow", some of them will not survive to see the better tomorrow, therefore Ulfric stood up, and announced that true sons of Skyrim will not bend their knees, they will worship who they want, and they will toss you out of Skyrim if you want to tell them how to live.
You cannot go to proud and honorable people and ask them to lick boots to AD, and if Tullius and his Empire was thinking opposite, they are not much of strategists and politicians, this civil war was rather obvious result, and I am quite sure they wanted it at first place to prove loyalty, obedience and lick more boots to AD.

From the last thread:

Sacae: "Who are the two Jarls actively supporting? No questioning it, I just really don't know much about the Jarls or Civil War. (Jarl and the city please, idiot here)"

stoneguard321: "That is probably a lie for Celan that he is circulating to convert people to the stormcloak side of the war."

The answer is Maven and http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv146/gmosko/Skyrim/Siddgeir3_zpsaf279038.jpg. And stoneguard, buddy, not everyone is as into petty bickering as you are. Still and all, if you're going to accuse someone of lying, you should get your facts straight first.

can't read what he is saying, and being at a party speaking favor does not mean he likes them, just that he could not want to lose his comfy lifestyle, as that is Siddgeir for you.

Thanks, I know very little about the Jarls and the CW, that's why I like reading these threads. Siddgeir makes sense.