For years and years before Morrowind there was bigger and better Elder Scrolls. Something changed however with Morrowind with that Bethesda added a broke 3rd person view that was broken and hard to use but doing that one thing increased sales and made the Elder Scrolls a almost household name in the gaming community.

This and Bioware adding 3rd person to the games actually helped make the once horrid Western Lackluster Games and RPGs that often gone ignored into primetime and took the lead over the Japanese counterparts.

After each Elder Scrolls game and during play test Interviewers Todd Howard always admits in interviews he is surprised so many people like the 3rd person view. When ever he has an interview and they ask what surprises him about the success the topic of the 3rd person view always comes up.

I'm most likely late on posting this news but its not just the news that the Elder Scrolls online version is ditching 1st person view its the news that even moderators here for years had wailed the 1st person view is as possible as ever with hardcoe fans following along but is this a sign that the next Bethesda games will focus and strengthen the more popular 3rd person view?



http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/20/elder-scrolls-online-wont-include-the-series-traditional-first-person-perspective/?ns_campaign=article-feed&ns_mchannel=ref&ns_source=steam&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

Already a thread on this
EDIT: That one was locked, but you messed up your title:
Howard has nothing to do with TESO

My topic is not about the news of the 1st person being ditched but the fact 1st person being put down which has been argued here for years is losing it's traction

Except 1st person view has not been ditched. It will be in ESO and very likely will included hands and weapons just like in the single player games.

Also Todd Howard works for Bethesda, ESO is being made by ZOS, so yeah not sure what the point of this thread is.

I think most can agree that 1st person is a must have in SP TES games. Even TH thinks its better than 3rd by a mile. But there are a lot of people who like 3rd even in SP games. Maybe they're used to MMOs or just like seeing their character's gear. Even if they begin to refine their 3rd person view in SP games, its almost a guarantee that Bethesda will never take away from their 1st person experience. It'll always be their primary focus in SP games.

P.S. This has no place on the ESO forums. i know you say ESO in the OP, but it has nothing to do with it.

It's an MMO and I would think it would be hard to have first-person gameplay/combat in one. Also, this has nothing to do with Todd Howard or the main TES series and I don't think first-person perspective is losing traction in the main series.

Yay second-hand information.

This article is based on the article that the previous (locked) thread was based on. Nothing new to see here.

*sigh*

Does no one even bother to look up actual information anymore? Have we really gotten to the point that because it's easier to just take the word of someone writing an article on an article we don't bother to go to the original source anymore?

I read, then read that article again.

I'm still trying to figure out where Todd Howard comes into this. Last time I checked *Matt Firor* doesn't spell Todd Howard. Which makes sense, since Zenimax Online isn't Bethesda Softworks.

As for the first person; who knows? When the beta gets started, maybe the participants will be able to find out for sure

I think as long as Todd Howard is in charge, single player TES will not lose its 1st person core.

Anyway, the article in the OP quotes http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/interviews/a458194/elder-scrolls-online-interview-the-beta-first-person-and-skyrim.html, that we already had a pair of threads about.

The actual relevant quote:

It has nothing to do with Todd Howard, and PC Gamer is saying things that belong more in a forum argument than a magazine, digital or not.

I don't know how much 3rd person helped Morrowind, but I'd guess other factors more than that. First, gaming generally had become much less niche and more mainstream when Morrowind was released compared to its predecessor, Daggerfall, released some 6 years earlier. Additionally, it was the first ES game released on multiple platforms (PC, XBox) giving it a wider potential market. It had some new features (other than 3rd person) such as mod support, a more detailed (albeit smaller) world, and fewer bugs that its predecessors. Why single out 3rd person as *the* feature? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against 3rd person; I just find it odd that it would be the one feature above all these others that made Morrowind more successful, in terms of sales, than its predecessors.

I'd also disagree with the assert that western RPGs of the pre-Morrowind era were "horrid" and "lackluster". Yes, there were admittedly a lot of bad games, but there are those in any era. However, many very well regarded games from this era, including Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, Daggerfall, and others.

I'd also consider the possibility that Bethesda will not ditch first-person view in any future ES6 and that Zenimax Online's decision to provide a more limited first-person view functionality is due to ESO being a different type of game and with Zenimax Online having different goals and expectations for ESO than Bethesda had for Skyrim, et al. and will have for ES6 than any general move away from first-person perspective.