Why can't the man opt out like the woman can? : Othor Games

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:12 pm

This topic was on my mind, and I wanted to share my thoughts and get your alls. I went through the forum rules and found as such:

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Because this doesn't directly violate any of the above, I'll continue.

So a woman has the right *in some states* to murder her own child via abortion without the fathers consent if she decides she doesn't want the responsibility for whatever reason. But a man is required by law to pay child support for a child if the mother decides to HAVE the baby.

So..women have the legal option to opt out of the responsibility but men don't? I can't just say "Nahh....I'm not paying that child support." But a woman can say "Nahh...I'm not raising it, kill it."

Hmm....

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:17 pm

Abortion=/=murder.

Get rid of child support and see how bad child poverty gets.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:58 pm

Abortion=/=murder.

I disagree entirely. Due to the nature of this topic however, I doubt this will stay open.

» Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:58 am

This thread isn't to decide whether or not Abortion is murder or not.

Getting rid of child support is completely irrelevant.

Pro what? Pro choice. If she has the choice..why don't I? Seems fairly hypocritical to me.

You can destroy a life at your very whim if you want without my consent, yet I am legally bound to pay child support even if I decide I don't want to.

Girl: I don't want the responsibility of this baby.
Doctor: Okay! Snip snip. Yank yank. There you go, no more baby. Well, just in more pieces.

Guy: I don't want the responsibility of this baby.
America: Lol sry, put the cash in the mail plz

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:23 pm

This thread isn't to decide whether or not Abortion is murder or not.

Getting rid of child support is completely irrelevant.

Pro what? Pro choice. If she has the choice..why don't I? Seems fairly hypocritical to me.

You can destroy a life at your very whim if you want without my consent, yet I am legally bound to pay child support even if I decide I don't want to.

Because once it is born it is not about you or the mother, and the child will suffer from a decreased quality of life.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:48 pm

Because once it is born it is not about you or the mother, and the child will suffer from a decreased quality of life.

Are you saying that babies that are born early aren't human beings until 9 months? That makes no sense.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:01 pm

The women is the one who has to physically give birth, although I think perhaps it should be more of a decision by both parties. However I also think if a woman is 'forced' to have a child they don't want because the husband won't agree to an abortion, then that could hurt the child if they grow up with a mother who didn't want to have them.

This is a 'hot topic' though.

Are you saying that babies that are born early aren't human beings until 9 months? That makes no sense.

Abortion is illegal as soon as the baby can survive outside the womb on it's own, so long before nine months and also long before premature birth can be relevant to any discussion on the topic at all.

» Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:20 am

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/vjvt2/do_you_agree_with_the_idea_of_financial_abortion/c5585yu

This sums it up.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:32 am

This thread isn't to decide whether or not Abortion is murder or not.

Then don't call it murder in your first post.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:36 pm

Then don't call it murder in your first post.

My personal opinions don't need to be discussed. I will not censor my opinion in fear someone might take offense, sorry. That's ridiculous.Just because I say it doesn't mean you have to comment on it. We are *all* entitled to our own opinions.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:42 pm

Holy crap, man...

Do you have any sympathy at all? Do you really think opting out of 9 months of pregnancy and child birth is the same as opting out of paying a few bucks every now and then? Do you not realize that part of the purpose for abortion being legal is so women who were violated and impregnated against their will would not be forced to give birth to that child? Are you so greedy that you're upset because you might have to spend a few bucks for something you are responsible for, that you would sooner take away a woman's right to her own body? Have you no shame?

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:07 pm

My personal opinions don't need to be discussed. I will not censor my opinion in fear someone might take offense, sorry. That's ridiculous.

Well then you've opted out of any chance of a balanced discussion on this issue.

» Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:33 am

My personal opinions don't need to be discussed. I will not censor my opinion in fear someone might take offense, sorry. That's ridiculous.

Then I'll not censor mine.

But back on topic, abolishing child support is a stupid idea. The women who really need it for their kids won't get it. Making it optional makes it useless for the entire group it was implemented to help: working-class mothers with baby-daddies who are too useless to take care of their own children.

Whether or not it's fair or makes sense is irrelevant, because the kids need it.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:48 pm

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» Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:44 pm

I disagree entirely. Due to the nature of this topic however, I doubt this will stay open.

Something that can't feed by itself and "leeches" off of a host is called a parasite anywhere else, same case here for childbirth.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:58 am

I am being asked if I have any feelings, yet someone can legit say that a baby isn't a human being until it has exited the birth canol?

Does the baby need the child support? That's the question you're throwing at me? Does the UNBORN BABY deserve a chance at LIFE? It's a human [censored] being.

» Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:46 pm

Child support is an entirely different thing to childbirth and can't really be compared in the sense that is suggested in the OP. A woman can pay child support to a man if they are taking care of the child, a man can't give birth to a child for a woman if she doesn't want to give birth.