How will this game be different from WoW?

Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:22 am

I've been playing World of Warcraft for four years, maybe more actually. This may sound funny but I never really liked the game. The main reason why I play now is because my friend plays.

My problem with WoW is that it feels like your character is on rails. Nothing you do seems to influence the environment, NPCs, or other players in a meaningful way. When you kill a player in PVP, they turn into a ghost, and then resurrect without penalty.

There is no incentive to WPVP in WoW. You can't take over towns or cities--because there are no mechanisms that permit it--and guards just keep on "magically" respawning until players get bored and leave. You can't even talk to opposing factions--which I think is a mistake. If players were allowed to talk to opposing factions, then that would faciliate all sorts of interesting stuff like diplomacy, deception, drama, etc. I guess what it boils down to is in WoW there are too many rules. Let the players make the (majority) of the rules, not the developers. A cool idea would be to allow the faction that controls a territory the power to shape rules or laws. Or maybe give players the power to control guard routes or something along those lines.

Then there are Battlegrounds where players are matched up in instances that are separated from the static world and given the exact same objectives over and over again--and at the end of the match--nothing happens. You're awarded points, and then you queue up again. You winning or losing has no impact on the persistent world. Besides the points you earn, it's as though the match never happened. It's boring.

One last thing that bugs me is how weak the penalty for dying is. Imagine playing Super Mario 3 or Morrowind with infinite lives or invulernability. At a certain point you start to wonder, what's the point? When my character dies in WoW, I don't care, at all--and that bugs me.

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I just hope you (Bethesda) learn from Blizzard's mistakes with WoW. You may not see these gameplay decisions as mistakes though...
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:24 am

I don't think you're going to be much more happy here if those are your concerns, they pretty much go to the root of the genre; or at least will probably be in ESO.

Welcome to the forums though.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:28 am

First welcome to the forums.

Second I would suggest reading info and learning about the game for yourself first. Personally i just don't think asking this question on these forums will net you the best results for a proper answer. With all the WoW phobia and "this game did this better this game won't have this or that" and strong opinions around your best bet is to do the research and form your own opinions first.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:34 am

I've been playing World of Warcraft for 4 years, maybe more actually. This may sound funny but I never really liked the game. The main reason why I play now is because my friend plays.

I just hope you (Bethesda) learn from WoW's mistakes.

Im sorry to ask but what Bethesda have to do with this? Bethesda should find you new friends? After 4 year of WoW this game isnt going to save you, I can tell that much, its not that different.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:12 am

Im sorry to ask but what Bethesda have to do with this? Bethesda should find you new friends? After 4 year of WoW this game isnt going to save you, I can tell that much, its not that different.

I have no idea what you're trying to get at here.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:49 am

I don't think you're going to be much more happy here if those are your concerns, they pretty much go to the root of the genre.

WoW's commercial success may have given that impression to those who never experienced an MMO before WoW, but it's not actually true.
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Post » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:29 pm



WoW's commercial success may have given that impression to those who never experienced an MMO before WoW, but it's not actually true.
It's true for today. It wasn't for yesterday, and might not be tomorrow, but for our current selection it is.
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Post » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:46 pm

I have no idea what you're trying to get at here.

Im saying that you should stick with WoW, especially if thats where your friends are. ESO is alot the same but slightly more original and modern.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:29 am

WoW's commercial success may have given that impression to those who never experienced an MMO before WoW, but it's not actually true.

The reason why WoW became so popular is because, at the time, Blizzard was the cool kid on the block, Warcraft was (is) popular, and Everquest was crumbling due to incompetency on SOE's part. Those aren't the only reasons, but they're the main ones. One other big reason is because WoW's gameplay is so tight compared to something like Everquest. It's like night and day. In fact, WoW's gameplay is still tighter than any MMORPG out there. The problem is I don't like the direction of WoW.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:37 am

Im saying that you should stick with WoW, especially if thats where your friends are. ESO is alot the same but slightly more original and modern.

or... He could try to get his friends to come over to ESO.

or.... We could try to help the poster learn about the game, instead of just telling him he should just stick to a different game and go away.

just sayin.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:31 pm

Im saying that you should stick with WoW, especially if thats where your friends are. ESO is alot the same but slightly more original and modern.

If ESO turns out to be good, then I'll start playing it regardless. My friend will probably start playing too because he's a big fan of the Elderscrolls series.
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Post » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:05 pm

I started playing WoW about 8 years ago, and have experienced the shift from open world PvP, to battlegrounds, and It's just as you say; battlegrounds have no effect on the world at all. A core flaw in WoW's progression, has been It's heavy reliance on menus, simply for convenience. Sure, It allows us to be more efficient, but as you pointed out, it literally takes us OUT of the world we're apparently living in.

The currency called 'honor' changed the entire purpose of PvPing. Firstly, it was to have fun, and kill another player who didn't see you coming. Tarren Mill vs Southshore battles were the epitome of this world, in my opinion. Yes, guards spawned endlessly, but with the amount of players that attended, they were merely a small advantage to the defenders; yet they were still effective.

Low levels even joined in, as funny as that sounds. People were not only a part of a battle, but they were a part of a battle in their own world; People who 'grew up' in the same world were fighting with or against them. The realm forums would have post-battle conversations, and people would name off their rivals and people they hated seeing in the battle...to put it in a few words, people were taking part in the world Blizzard created.

NOW, the difference I see in ESO.

Cyrodil is in the world. Far as I know, it will be a place you walk into. I can't say for sure, but I'm hoping the key motivation for people to fight for Cyrodil, is the fun of competing against other players who 'live' in the same world as them. Gaining ranks, and getting to be a part of epic battles. Planning strategies with friends/guild members, and conquering a keep, or ambushing a few stragglers from an opposing faction.

I believe that those are a few core fundamentals in an imaginary world, which WoW literally pushed aside. Armor and weapons are indeed awesome to obtain, but making it NECESSARY to have them just so you can be 'competitive' really undermines what actually matters. I am so so so glad, that Zenimax decided to not make PvP gear. They will have stuff awarded for PvP, but I believe they will be similar to regular gear stat-wise. I sincerely hope they keep it this way, and do not take the easy way out like WoW did.

So yeah, basically, I do not think ESO will break the fantasy world immersion as much as WoW did. I'm eager to find out whether I'm right or not. xD
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:54 am

I don't think you're going to be much more happy here if those are your concerns, they pretty much go to the root of the genre; or at least will probably be in ESO. Welcome to the forums though.

Nah, not the root. It's actually a relatively recent trend...although, I suppose we could be thinking of different things, here. :|
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:08 am

There is a lot of good videos out there from pax east, they answer a lot of questions, some personal reactions from folks that got to play the game at pax, along with dev interviews, everyone plays these games for different reasons and have different expectations, not all games are for eveyone, depends on what you are looking for, your play style likes and dislikes. I have tried games I thought I would never like and found them fun, having an open mind and a willingness to try something different can go along way. :smile:
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Post » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:29 pm

Welcome to the forums,

With that out of the way, I would read up about it there is some nice links in this thread for information:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1445621-eso-information-sources/

Catch up on all that and you will know just as much as the rest of us … ohh and sign up for the beta... might get lucky and get in …

No one can tell you exactly how the game is going to be it is still in beta and no one knows just how it will be… but I would defiantly check out the link above and get your friend talking about ESO he may have insight on the lore if he is a fan and can help you out: good places for lore to start with is:

http://www.uesp.net
http://www.imperial-library.info/

I am sure some good people on forums can help you out with more links , youtube video ,pax east info and video, tons of it out there to catch up on….good luck and hope you switch over and bring your friends,

Happy hunting
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* We have some very knowledgeable people on this game, in forums I am sure people would be glad to welcome and help with that.. You would be surprised at the resources this nice forums can come up with to help a new person out :smile:
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:34 am

i just got to say a few things


if you play any game for 4 years you cannot say you dont like it. it may not be the best game ever for you but 4 YEARS! come on now there is no way you can say you didnt enjoy it.

the biggest issue with mmo games is the things you do cannot really effect the world unless you phase every part of the world. this is cause other people still have to do those quests. so that guy you got out from under that cart needs to be there for the next player that comes alone.

the biggest change wow made to the mmo world was the questing. in previous mmo games you mostly leveled by grinding out monsters. you would camp certain spots and only do quests now and then. in wow it was quest to max and you never had to grind monsters. i guess this is really up to the player as to what they like more. i hear all the thing that people do not like quest hubs but are quest hubs better than grinding monsters? either way wow is old so if you did enjoy the quests hubs more than may be a better way to do it now. this DOES NOT mean wow svcks this just means its dated. it would be like saying jordan svcks cause he got old.
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:32 am

i like how people talk about WoW,.. anyone who played from release knows WoW classic was not the instant gratification game it is now,. TES is beloved because of its freedom and dept of detail (this is not graphics) ESO if anything need to avoid "instant gratification" (but draw in casuals through the community), the TES buggyness, and keep as much freedom and level of detail as close to morrow wind as humanly possible and viable in a MMO scene with updated graphics. the only thing ESO has to do the same as WoW is the responsiveness,.. if they manage this ESO will surpass WoW. if not another game bound to go from SUB to F2P ^^ anyone wondering what eso is going to be like,. play morrowwind/oblivion/skyrim you still have 6 months ;p assuming you played only WoW then you can get a slight idea of the scale of WoW but the TES machanics and enviroments ;p
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Post » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:00 am

It's true for today. It wasn't for yesterday, and might not be tomorrow, but for our current selection it is.

It's no more true than saying "starship captains are the root of the science fiction genre."

This is not 'the root.' It's a branch, one which has grown to eclipse all other branches, but still just a branch.
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