Your most hated fantasy tropes and clichés.

Post » Thu May 16, 2013 12:06 am

List 'em. I want to know what people hate. May be things that are usually featured in the same stories, or they can be mutually exclusive.

Format does not matter. They can be literature tropes, movie tropes, game tropes, so long as the genre is fantasy. Also, the subjects of dislike do not need to be absolute - I hate many stock fantasy tropes, but not when they are featured in the works where they were originally created - usually LOTR and D&D.

I can think of a few things for starters:

- When everyone in the fantasy world speak the same language without any problems comprehending each other.

- When the map of the world is a shameless ripoff of the real world with the heroes in northwest, dark-skinned sand land barbarians in the south and mindless chaotic evil hordes in the east. Even worse if there is a China/Japan mashup culture further in the east.

- Alternatively, when the map is a clearly defined and symmetrical island-continent with clearly defined borders for different biomes featured there- looking at you TES and Song of Ice and Fire.

- The main setting is straight out of medieval England.

- Stock fantasy racial tropes like graceful elves, underground dwarves and inherently corrupt humans.

- When characters of the setting have names straight out of the real world, especially if they make no sense whatsoever (for example, biblical names).

- Fantasy counterpart cultures. Pseudo-Romans, Pseudo-Japanese, and so on.

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Lori Joe
 
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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 1:46 am

Humanoid Bipeds

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Jeff Tingler
 
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Post » Wed May 15, 2013 7:31 pm

Only real genre I hate is 'http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackAndWhiteMorality', it's not so bad in terms of genre, it's that many authors execute it poorly. Plus I like it when good guys aren't afraid to get their hands dirty and vice versa.

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Post » Wed May 15, 2013 10:48 pm

Me too, YUCK. It's so unrealistic. I love Grey VS Grey, Black Vs grey, and Black VS Black.

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Rhysa Hughes
 
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Post » Wed May 15, 2013 8:21 pm

-The one where it all ends up being a dream/ illusion/ virtual reality.

-Antagonists who are antagonists because they are evil, no further motivation.

-Elves are in decline and going extinct is another one that is used far too much. Why cant we ever see their glory days?

The one where they all understand each other bothers me as well. Dr. Who has the Tardis translation matrix, Farscape had translator microbes and Star Trek a universal translator. Stargate had.. nothing, and it annoyed me.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 4:04 am

No one trusts the mages. Barbarian loons in fur loincloths who love nothing more than busting heads are fine though.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 12:03 am

I hate that "good" or the "good guy" always wins
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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 7:01 am

Exactly. I love good heart filled endings, but at the same time, I love it when it shows people understand being the good guy and hoping the baddy boo boo slips up so you can beat him while still keeping your cloak white isn't realistic and begrudgingly (Sometimes not even that) do what they know needs to be done. "I'm the white knight, I should let the evil mad king get away because mercy is the way! Who cares if he comes back with an army again." *Raises sword* "Lol, jk, you gotta go."

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 4:50 am

If they have a decent reason for winning, if there is sacrifice involved and a bitter victory at best I like it.

If they win because they are the 'good guys' and the other one is the 'bad guy' I dislike it, because there is no such thing as 'evil for the sake of evil.' There isnt even any fiend who believes himself to be evil, its just not a valid personality trait. No matter how insane, twisted and dark someone becomes they will always convince themselves its 'for the greater good.'

The Daleks are a very good example. They have attempted to wipe out all life and even the universe, because they are deathly afraid of anything that isnt Dalek. Its fear that drives them.

Someone like Skeletor is a prime example of the bad kind.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 3:22 am

Immortal elves.

Good vs Evil.

All immortal elves are beautiful.

Good always prevails.

All beautiful, immortal elves are peerless archers.

Dwarves all live underground and spend their lives mining.

All beautiful, immortal, archer elves have magic.

Evil is always so gall-durned epic. Why? Why does the big, bad guy have to be super big and extra bad?

Magically inclined, immortal, beautiful archer elves are always GOOD.

Epic evil guys are "pure" evil. Absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever and absolutely no way for us to identify with them. Evil for evil's sake. So stupid.

Elves live in the woods or in some ridiculously overblown high society far-removed no (insert non-elf race here) allowed impossible to reach except by elves city/island with impossible technology or architecture and beautiful pure good undying magic archer elves everywhere.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 9:26 am

And bad guys who are evil and destructive because they want a better world or society and everyone else except their mean-spirited and psychopathically violent cronies is too stupid to effect this better world, so they absolutely must go on a killing rampage and crush freedom everywhere; it's 'justified'. No-one ever invades the whole continent and releases the Dark gods because acne prevented them getting laid 'til they were 30 and that's why they hate everything and everyone.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 12:38 am

Elves, orcs, etc. hate 'em. Why can't we have a world with just humans?

Also, to the people complaining about the good guys always winning, there is a trend in real life of good guys winning 9/10.
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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 10:00 am

I'm currently working on a fantasy story, so I think this thread might turn out to be somewhat interesting for me.

I agree with all of these, and I can't stress how much I dislike the first one. It's like giving the reader/view the middle finger. I've developed a strong dislike towards any movie or book where we in the end realize that nothing really happened, and it was all just a dream/simulation or inside some madman's mind. Ugh.

Other things I don't like:

- Unimaginative maps and worlds based on Earth and its cultures, or where the continents are well defined and feature a clear differences between climates and biomes like Pistolero mentioned.

- The protagonist is near invincible and have no major problem defeating everything in his/her path, be it through combat or diplomacy.

- Standard elves, orcs, dwarves.

- Technological stagnation.

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Post » Wed May 15, 2013 11:23 pm

True, there's times when the bitter victory or the win with sacrifice is ok but the good guy always winning is happy ending, movie garbage. Just once I want the credits to roll at the sound of the evil overlord laughing mwa ha ha while standing on the corpse of the knight in shining armor :yes:

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Post » Wed May 15, 2013 10:59 pm

Words like "thy" and "hither". I know that is the staple of most fantasy language but it just irks me.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 4:59 am

In reality, the 'good guy' is subjective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Come hither tgl, thy ass beith mineith as tonighteth, we make love until dawn....eth.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 10:04 am

Just nevermind...
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Post » Wed May 15, 2013 11:07 pm

Mr. House... you seem to forget that you're physically decrepit, but we all have urges, I suppose.

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Post » Thu May 16, 2013 2:24 am

Don't mix real life politics/terrorism in here, please.

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