CTD my eyes are bleeding. : V

» Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:50 pm

While my first alliteration of my loader was mostly stable. I decided to trim down on a lot of mods that were about to be updated that could be added after a new game without issue. This way I don't have to worry about upgrade procedure nor leftover scripts.

That being said you would imagine that the game should be even more stable if you've reduced mods. Instead quite frankly it is exactly the opposite...very unstable. Which leads me to believe that I'm either missing a patch or their something corrupt in one of the esp.

Active Mod Files:

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00  Skyrim.esm01  Update.esm02  Dawnguard.esm03  Dragonborn.esm04  Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm05  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm06  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm07  SkyMoMod.esm08  SPIKE.esm09  HighResTexturePack01.esp0A  HighResTexturePack02.esp0B  HighResTexturePack03.esp0C  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.3.3c]0D  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.4]0E  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]0F  Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]10  Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp11  Better Dynamic Snow.esp12  Rainbows.esp13  SplashofRain.esp14  BWS.esp15  Clanking Armor.esp16  IHSS.esp17  Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp18  Thundering Shouts.esp19  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp1A  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp1B  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp1C  TradeBarter.esp1D  83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp1E  Ars Metallica.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1F  Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp  [Version 1.2.0]20  Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp  [Version 1.2.0]21  Auto Unequip Helmet.esp22  Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp23  Birdsclean.esp24  BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp25  ClamsDropPearls.esp26  Dead Body Collision.esp27  Disease Descriptions.esp28  DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp29  DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp2A  Dual Sheath Redux.esp2B  DungeonQuestAwareness.esp2C  fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp  [Version 1.0]2D  High Level Enemies.esp2E  High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp2F  High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp30  Immersive Battles.esp31  Immersive Brigands.esp32  Immersive Dawnguard.esp33  Immersive Dragonborn.esp34  Immersive Factions.esp35  Immersive Mercenaries.esp36  Immersive Patrols.esp37  Immersive Travelers.esp38  Immersive Werewolves.esp39  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp3A  Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp3B  MVABasic.esp3C  Moss Rocks.esp3D  Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp3E  ORM-Arvak.esp3F  PilgrimsDelight.esp40  Piratelords Loot Adjustments.esp41  Point The Way.esp  [Version 1.0.1a]42  Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0 non glow.esp43  Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp44  SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp45  SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp46  SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp47  ShootingStars.esp48  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.1]49  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.1]4A  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp4B  SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-DB.esp  [Version 1.1a]4C  SMDropLitTorch.esp++  Traps Make Noise.esp4D  Convenient Horses.esp4E  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp4F  KaceAutoloot.esp50  Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp51  Footprints.esp52  Footprints - Ash.esp53  NoxUE2.00.esp54  RaceMenu.esp55  RaceMenuPlugin.esp56  WetandCold.esp57  WetandCold - Ashes.esp58  SkyUI.esp59  iHUD.esp5A  LessIntrusiveHUD.esp5B  daedric_phelm.esp5C  Elemental Staves.esp5D  ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp5E  imp_guard_helm.esp5F  imp_helm.esp60  imp_helm_imp.esp61  imp_helm_dawn.esp62  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.4]63  Lock Overhaul.esp64  MM_BeluaSangunaireRevisited.esp65  mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedDialogueFixes.esp66  mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedLootTables.esp67  mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedRefuge.esp68  DeadlyDragons.esp69  Gildergreen Regrown.esp  [Version 1.2.5]6A  Hunting in Skyrim - No Perks.esp6B  Inconsequential NPCs.esp6C  OBIS.esp6D  OBISDB.esp6E  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 1.2.2]6F  When Vampires Attack.esp  [Version 1.0.3]70  SkyrimChimneysRW.esp71  The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp  [Version 1.2.4]72  SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp73  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp74  Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp75  BlockSparkles.esp76  Distant Detail.esp77  DiversePriests.esp78  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp79  WeaponsArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp7A  masser Size x0.5.esp7B  More Salt Please.esp7C  More Salt Please - Dragonborn addon.esp7D  dD-No Twitching Dragon Death Animation.esp7E  NonEssentialChildren.esp7F  SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC.esp80  SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp81  SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp82  SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp83  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp84  dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp85  dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp86  Rebirth Monster.esp87  dD-No Screen Blood.esp88  EBT- Dg - Db - SIC.esp89  Thieves Guild Requirements.esp8A  Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp8B  aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp8C  WeaponsArmorFixes_ambSkyforge_Patch.esp8D  AIMP - Antz in my Pantz.esp8E  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp8F  ELFX - Exteriors.esp90  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp91  ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-4.esp92  ELFXEnhancer.esp93  Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp94  MidasSkyrim.esp95  Nature of the beast.esp96  BFSEffects.esp97  ImmersiveSpells.esp98  ImmersiveSpells-NoDlcDawnDragComp.esp99  ReneersCrimeOverhaul.esp9A  ACE Realistic Fighting.esp9B  DeadlyCombat.esp9C  DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp9D  Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp9E  DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp9F  Enhanced Soul Trap.espA0  Soul Gems Differ - E.espA1  dD-No Spinning Death Animation.espA2  Beards.espA3  Brows.espA4  WyldMenuPlugFemale.espA5  WyldMenuPlugMale.espA6  3DNPC.espA7  Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.espA8  Blaze Of Eventide.espA9  Follower Trap Safety.esp++  moveitLWT.espAA  TouringCarriages.espAB  AmazingFollowerTweaks.espAC  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 2.3.2]AD  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.espAE  SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp  [Version 1.6]AF  ethereal_elven_overhaul.espB0  DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.espB1  RealisticWaterTwo.espB2  RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.espB3  RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.espB4  RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.espB5  RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.espB6  DiversePriests_ConsistentOlderPeoplePatch.espB7  Bashed Patch, 0.espB8  Automatic Variants.espB9  ASIS-Dependency.espBA  ASIS.espBB  DeadlyCombat_ASIS_Patch.espBC  Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

I cant even complete Alternate Start - Live Another Life. It crashes (Every time even with multiple new starts) upon cell transition into the cave where you give one of the two soldiers a healing potion. Naturally I fired up TES5Edit To see if there is any conflicts with alternate start and seems to me alternate start wins in all the categories as it's close to the bottom of my load order. What are your thoughts?

» Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:11 pm

Well, upgrading existing mods is safer than removing mods. Guess you learned that the hard way.

That said, do I understand you right that you have uninstalled some mods and then started a new game, and now your game is super unstable? You haven't added any mods, or done anything else that might impact stability?

» Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:01 am

Any mods that have scripts will still have those scripts embedded in the save if you continue with a character and that can cause instability.

But them, removing a load of mods can also cause instability with a new game if you still have patches for mods you have removed or have accidentally removed patches you need. Or if you forgot to run a SkyProc patcher (delete the old patch first).

Also, load order can cause crashes and BOSS does not always get it right. Also, having mods for Vanilla and not the DG or DB versions of those when you are running the DLC (like the Immersive Patrols mods).

But then, having said that, my level 66, 460 hour first character became unplayable with patch 1.9 so I started a new one with a completely new mod list - 140 instead of 30. And yet, I can now play that old character with no problem at all (except my horse doesn't move and I cannot ride it but it does sometimes skate along the ground or spin in circles as I removed all the horse mods - initially it was dead, but I resurrected it).

The only other thing I get is a papyrus log spammed with thousands upon thousands of the same line for firewood from a camping mod I no longer use, but it does not seem to cause fps drop, lag, save bloat or crashes. I just end up with a 5 MB papyrus.log0 after a few hours.

And yet a new character I recently started with the same set of new mods keeps crashing in Helgen.

Go figure.

That's Bethesda for you.

~.~