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Part of me is happy about the new comments version; never before have I been so discouraged to look at them as I am now, and as a result my braincells feel more refreshed than ever.

I somewhat miss the occasional witty top comments but apart from that, meh.

Anyone with a sane mind would do well to steer clear of the borderline [censored] comment section anyway, well unless completely unrelated religious discussions and illiterate trolling is your thing.

@Softnerd. I get people should expect changes. But often changes are supposed to be for the better. If I wanted to I can now post entire books on youtube, I can get a virus from clicking a link and I have seen links to porm. You couldn't do that before. You can delete "ToxicUSERLol" a thousand times and it won't do a damn thing, there can be an unlimited number of people with that name. (Just to protect myself, I made up that name, I am not calling anyone out, just incase someone out there so happens to have that name)

Also no one wanted Google+. Google is pretty much putting a bunch of highly paid monkeys into a room with computers and hoping they will produce the next Facebook. But instead all they are getting is crap and for some reason Google is like "we paid good money for this crap.. so we are going a head with it."

And when naturally people don't want it.. Google says "We paid good money for it... lets force people to use it!"

Google didn't put any though into this at all. I get there is always some blow back when there is change but this is nuts. In their attempt to stop spammers and toxic users.. they opened the flood gates to them instead.

Reasons why the new comment system is bad:

1) You can literally post a link to any malicious website you want.

2) When someone has written a comment about a moment in the video e.g. 8:47, instead of going to that point in the video it instead opens up another tab.

3) Can't look at reply chains. If you want to look at a reply you have to click in the link which will go to another tab then you have to do it over and over again.

4) Forces you to use Google+ and use multiple accounts. You also can't look at replies in your inbox unless you go to Google+.

5) No comment limit. Because of this people are posting character pictures of swastikas and memes everywhere.

Yeah, I've heard about a lot of the exploits people have found. I'm guessing that most of those will eventually be smoothed out. As far as the links are concerned...well, the internet is made of links. Nobody can protect people from clicking on links.

Google wanted to use it, and they run the service. It's not a democracy.

That, and I think it has less to do with trying to force people to use Google+ instead of Facebook and more to do with technical motivations. They wanted to use the same comment system for all of their services, and they wanted single sign-on across all of their services. They used to do single sign-on using Gmail accounts, and you have to admit that didn't make much sense. I think they're seeing Google+ as the central system for authentication across services.

I disagree. From a technical standpoint the move makes a lot of sense. From a social engineering perspective it might not, but they won't know for sure until some of the kinks are smoothed out and some of the initial outcry dies down.

You give the people what they want. Not what you think they want and force them to use it.

Lucky for us this is the internet and there are and will be more youtube like channels and all Google is doing is driving people to them.

Will youtube die completely? I doubt it, but this move just might cripple them for a very long time to come.

If it isn't broken don't fix it. Youtube wasn't broken. There was already a number of things in place that worked just fine to remove unwanted posters. The problem was people weren't maintaining their channels, but again no one was complaining. Eveyone is complaing now and every video I watch has comments about how the comments svck.

This isn't normal blow back IMO.

And I didn't want all my social medias connected. They should have made it completely optional. I don't care if I have to sign into all my different accounts. Cause I don't want everything connected. I want personal firewalls.

You do what's best for your business, and if that overlaps with giving people what they want then all the better. Business aren't about giving people what they want unless giving them what they want is beneficial to the business.

So how does pissing off 90% of your customers and driving them away to other businesses help your business again?

Giving people what they want means they will buy it from you and you can use that money to put back into growing your company. If you are forcing them to take something they want and pissing them off they will leave.

I think you might be making assumptions about the technical benefits of the change vs. the amount of lost business it represents. I am too, but I'm pretty sure that Google did not. I'm not saying they can't have been wrong, but they made the decision armed with a LOT more information than either of us have at our disposal.

youtube has the market monopolized at this point..

they can tick off Customers because they really have no competition..
they have no competition because no one has enough money to ready servers that can both handle so many views an hour, plus multiple Petabytes worth of video (heck, I wouldn't be surprised in youtube has an Exabyte worth of video at this point..)

Clearly they didn't. It would be as if people who were going out to build a better more secure prison and after spending a hell of alot of money, they ended up building a prison with no bars or fences or any other means to keep people from escaping. But I will calm down and relax, things could get better and the problems might be fixed. But what I am getting at is that they didn't see those probems coming?

No doubt Youtube is the biggest. But there are others and the more people go to them, the more money they will make and they can expand. It has happened before and it will happen again. Facebook and Youtube weren't created by giant Magacorporations.

It just takes someone with an idea people want and people with money willing to invest.

Either that or they weren't important enough to them to delay the launch. Software launch plans on that scale are expensive to cancel/push back. Who knows?

I'm just saying that all of these things are a balancing act. I'm a software architect/developer for a company that does a lot of their business online. Sometimes I have to make decisions that benefit our ability to deliver services and maintain our infrastructure that I know are going to piss off customers. We have to weigh the amount of "good will" damage we're going to do by making the change against the operational benefits of the change. If the benefits outweigh our best anolysis of what the damage is going to cost us then we just have to accept the loss of customer good will and say "we sorry!" If we don't do things like that our software will eventually become too complex and expensive to maintain, and that doesn't do us or our customers any good in the long run.

Sometimes we find issues in our software updates after we've already planned a launch, and we have to decide if the problems are worth delaying the launch for or if we should proceed and fix them after the fact. Sometimes we make the wrong decision, but that's life.

when youtube started up, it had no competitors (well, except for the short lived "Google Video")... so saying Youtube was able to start up without a major financial Benefactor does not mean it can be done again..

youtube started the whole "online video database" market, and as a result they now have it monopolized.. no start-up could hope to compete as things stand now, unless that start-up had a multi-million dollar benfactor to throw major piles of cash at a "dream"..


I don't like the new youtube layout and integration with Google+, but sadly there is nothing we can really do about it... Me and a few other LPers have canceled our LPs until youtube fixes this issue, even though they likely never will sadly..

I'd be surprised if they didn't refine the system to the point of it working much better than it does, but yeah, people shouldn't hold their breath waiting for them to go back to the old comment system.

I doubt it will go back to the way it was, it had it's problems and you're right that there is alot of money on the line with things like this, they can't just say "give it another month."

But these don't seem like minor problems they seem like huge problems. I have been looking at some videos about "the up coming comment changes" and some people we saying "But wouldn't this let people to whatever they want?" People saw it coming and yet google didn't or didn't care

Some of the ideas are good. Giving channel owners more ability to control the comments and the users. But I just don't see it with this new system. To me everything they were trying to do failed and is now worse. But again I am calming down, I am sure Google is working on the issues to get it working as intended.

I'll give it time. My only real complaint is that I can't look at my comments and respond to them like I used to and I don't like having everything linked. I feel for those who pretty much put their lives into their channel and making a living off it. I don't fault them for it. You give people the ability to make good money posting videos, people will do it and to say to them "well you shouldn't have been a big loser investing your life in youtube videos" is wrong.

Question I asked from the last thread before it closed: how do I remove or automatically untick the "share with google+" button that is now always ticked on when commenting? It's annoying to have to untick it manually every comment. Is there any setting for this?

A complete and utter disaster, if something isn't broken you don't change it but Google is being google and they dropped the ball big time.

How are you posting that from your lean-to in the woods?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4

"See Google, you're just bad at web design. Well I'd suggest trying to Google it sometime."

So. . . gonna call this GoogleToob?