FCOM - Help with updated old mods performance : IV

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:58 pm

Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm
01  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.4]
02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]
03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.35Beta]
05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.8b1]
06  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
07  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
09  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]
0A  CM Partners.esm
++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.5.3]
0C  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0D  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.5]
++  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
10  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]
11  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]
12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]
13  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]
++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
15  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.4.4]
++  EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 50.esp  [Version Final]
++  ImprovedWater.esp
16  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]
17  ToggleCrosshair.esp
18  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]
19  Streamline 3.1.esp
1A  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]
1B  DLCHorseArmor.esp
1C  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
1D  DLCOrrery.esp
1E  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1F  DLCVileLair.esp
20  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
21  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
22  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
23  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
24  Immersive Weapons.esp
25  DLCThievesDen.esp
26  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
27  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
28  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
29  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
2A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]
2B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
2C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.35Beta]
2D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb8b1]
++  FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
2E  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8]
++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
30  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
31  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Ghostly Appariation.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
32  Mart's Monster Mod - Mummies.esp
33  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
34  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
35  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]
36  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.11]
37  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
38  24HrArenaAliveLow.esp
39  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
3A  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
3B  DLCFrostcrag.esp
3C  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
3D  Knights.esp
3E  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.5]
++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
3F  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
40  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
41  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
42  KT_KhajEyeToggle.esp
43  KT_KhajEyeToggleNoEff.esp
44  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp
45  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
46  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.4.3]
47  RealisticFatigue.esp
48  Basic Primary Needs.esp  [Version 6.3]
49  Basic Physical Activities.esp  [Version 1.3]
4A  SetEssentialActors.esp
4B  Witchcraft.esp
4C  Poison FX.esp
4D  Poison Equipper.esp
4E  StolenItemOwnership.esp
4F  StealthOverhaul.esp
50  MigLockpicking.esp  [Version 1.8]
51  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]
52  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]
53  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]
54  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]
55  ProgressRacial.esp
56  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]
57  All+5AttributeModifiers.esp
58  ElaborateEyes.esp
59  CM Partners.esp
5A  CMPartnersDecrashification.esp
5B  CM Partners NPC NE.esp
5C  CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
5D  Arena Robes.esp
5E  Disable Fast Travel.esp
++  Hidden.esp
5F  Stagecoach.esp
60  Ferry.esp
++  AEsixpensiveGems.esp
++  AEsixpensiveNuggets.esp
61  Sleep Outside.esp  [Version 1.0]
62  lwb_unarmored_high.esp
63  Bashed Patch, Oblivion.esp

I'm hoping somebody has some input as to why my FPS is suddenly dismal and my graphics so weird coming back to Oblivion after a while. I wonder if it has something to do with the new graphics drivers for my Nvidia GTX 960? For some reason the screen shakes and tears when I "override" antialiasing, and I can't use HDR for that reason. As for stuttering, should I mess around with the Threaded settings in the .ini? Or background loading?

I'm hitting really crappy framerates even with streamline, the memory patch, everything. Streamline reduces my sight to ten feet away in order to hit 50 FPS. I mean, I don't expect much from Oblivion - 30-40 FPS is what you expect with FCOM, but this really svcks. I haven't been modding for a while - is there something in my load order that's wonky? Anything I can update? Does the weather mod have substantial effect? Thanks in advance

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:53 am

First thing I've seen through quick glance is you're using Progress which is outdated mod. Replace it with nGCD or Realistic Leveling.

I've read in nGCD that it uses some unoptimised coding and scripts, so maybe RL would be better option performance-wise, maybe someone would elaborate on that.

You haven't tried OSR, you should definitely try checking Heap replacement and different values.

Maybe try out experimental features - iThreadsFixedToCPUs set to 1,2,3,4 (results may vary for OS).

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:47 pm

FCOM is a demanding mod. While it won't necessarily be enough to slow down a game all on its own (although it has done so for a few people), in combination with a large mod list it can cause framerate problems.

You have some mods that are script-heavy and others that add NPCs. I would look at those first. Enhanced Daedric Invasion, Tamriel travelers, Enhanced Economy, Basic primary Needs, Basic Physical Activities, Realistic Fatigue are a few of the mods I would look at.

I have to ask: are you really planning to use all those mods in a single game? Maybe it would be a good idea to think about what you expect to accomplish with the character you intend to play, and decide whether you are going to use all of these mods in your game. You may find that you can prune some of them from your list.

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:33 pm

I've been fiddling with Oblivion for the last month. Bunch of restarts and mod combos. One thing I found is that the newest NVidia drivers don't work at all for me. Game wont even start. I am using 358.91. No problems.

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:35 am

The latest official drivers from Nvidia broke Oblivion. Oblivion Reloaded fixes it. You'll probably want to grab it from the Nexus. IMHO, no one should play Oblivion without at least the unofficial patches and Oblivion Reloaded.

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:28 pm

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

Sz - I am using the Heap (1 with external .dll) and it's awesome.

Pser - This mod combo was working just fine a few months ago. Nvidia's drivers really mess something up.

I've turned down the view distance (groan) and no longer benefit from distant anything, and now it runs like magic. Pure 60+ framerate, anywhere (I've set both OSR and Streamline to min 60 fps, that's the real trick to it)

But what I really want to figure out is why, when I set the option to "override AA" in order to have HDR, I get this weird flickery shaking/flashing of the entire screen whenever I'm struck in combat. Weird.

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:25 pm

Grab Oblivion Reloaded dude. Use it's effect-based SMAA.

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:30 pm

I'm worried with my mod setup installing it might totally [censored] my system. Do I need to delete the .ini? Last time I did that the game wouldn't even start. God knows what I changed...

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:04 am

Well, you basically have a full FCOM order. It's not that big of a LO, considering some that I've seen. A fresh INI is a core troubleshooting step. It fixes problems, not cause them. The only sure way to crash from a fresh INI is if you are using some sort of alternate fonts. I.e. DarN or DarkUI'd DarN.

It's your LO, your game, but I'd recommend OR. With the right tweaks, it enhances stability and performance. It fixes bugs as well. I wouldn't worry about it nerfing you LO. But I can't ,rule out a little troubleshooting either;l don't know your setup.

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:54 am

Pseron , apart from fps issues, is there a particular reason you would not use enhanced economy and tamriel travellers? I m undecided about these two vut in particular about enhanced economy. Do i need to have stuff differently priced all over tamriel? Mmm

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:47 pm

OK, I reinstalled the whole game with a fresh .ini.

Everything seems fine, but this time I'm using QTP3 in an OMOD. I am using BSA redirection...

Somehow I have flickering hair textures and missing faces on the PC... what's up with that? It's not improved facial textures... uninstalling it doesn't seem to help. Wonder if its' my damn graphics drivers...

Active Mod Files:

Spoiler


00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]
03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.35Beta]
04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.8b1]
05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
06  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]
07  CM Partners.esm
++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.5.3]
09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.5]
++  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
0B  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]
0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]
0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]
0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]
0F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]
++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
10  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
11  Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp
12  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
13  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
14  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]
15  ToggleCrosshair.esp
16  Streamline 3.1.esp
17  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]
18  DLCHorseArmor.esp
19  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
1A  DLCOrrery.esp
1B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1C  DLCVileLair.esp
1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
1E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
20  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
21  Immersive Weapons.esp
22  DLCThievesDen.esp
23  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
24  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
25  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
26  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
27  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]
28  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
29  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.35Beta]
2A  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb8b1]
++  FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
2B  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8]
++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Mummies.esp
2F  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]
30  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.11]
31  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
32  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
33  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
34  DLCFrostcrag.esp
35  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
36  Knights.esp
37  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.5]
++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
38  Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp
39  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
3A  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
3B  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp
3C  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
3D  lwb_unarmored_stats_skills.esp
3E  Basic Primary Needs.esp  [Version 6.3]
3F  Basic Physical Activities.esp  [Version 1.3]
40  SetEssentialActors.esp
41  Witchcraft.esp
42  Poison FX.esp
43  Poison Equipper.esp
44  StolenItemOwnership.esp
45  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]
46  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]
47  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]
48  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]
49  ProgressRacial.esp
4A  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]
4B  All+5AttributeModifiers.esp
4C  CMPartnersDecrashification.esp
4D  CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  AEsixpensiveGems.esp
++  AEsixpensiveNuggets.esp
4E  Arena Robes.esp
4F  Disable Fast Travel.esp
50  Stagecoach.esp
51  Ferry.esp
52  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:07 pm

Oh, I tried OR Mal, but it space-blasted my FPS, even after tweaking all the settings. Meh, I'd rather stick with what I've got and just be able to play, thanks though.

» Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:25 pm

It's your load order. Never a wrong choice with what's in your load order... odd that OR decreased FPS for you. It's actually written to improve FPS versus vanilla (and it does for most people).