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Simple enough question. I know a bit about lore, but so far, I don't think I've seen a single word of Heaven, Hell, or an afterlife in general.

aetherius (SP?) I think, but theres also a few suggestion's that you end up in the realm of you're patron diety (be it aedra or Daedra)

Example, Big head in Morrowind, end's up in shivering Isles, theres also a few books in the shivering isles which tell you how sheogorath manages to ensnare other princes follower's (often resulting in their deaths) and claim them for his own realm.

but you'll probably get a better answer from a more experience lore buff

If I remember from a past discussion, you get thrown into, basically, a giant bowl of souls that get scooped up every so often to become living people. This doesn't happen if you get svcked into a soul gem (but I am not sure of that any more), or you achieved zero-sum or CHIM.

Your soul goes to the Dreamsleeve, get's recycled and forgets everything, and finally gets stuffed into a mortal shell. Fun, isn't it?

So...The PC could be a reincarnation of just about anyone?

I think some thread in the past said that it really depends on what you believed in, essentially.

Yup.

The PC in Morrowind just happened (supposedly) to get the soul that once resided in one Nerevar Indoril.

I'm of the opinion that it really didn't matter. Whether or not Azura manipulated things, you still achieved EXACTLY what the Nerevarine was said to have been going to achieve, so you might as well be the reincarnation, since everyone believes you are anyways.

You turned into an imp and are forced to listen to your own annoying screeches for the rest of eternity...that is until I kill you. :gun:

Hmmm that just gave me an odd RP idea. Making a Dunmer and acting like Nerevar's death was faked and lied about and that he's still alive...And he's the PC.

All a conspiracy!

Your soul goes to Sithis and if you are deemed unworthy,you are turned into an Adoring Fan.

That would be Hell.

People don't go to the shivering Isles because they have died. They all seem to have entered by their own free will. The origin from the idea that people go to some god comes from the Loveletter which mentions that "Death results in reappropriation of spirit towards its aligned AE?either to the god-planet Aedra or the Principalities of Oblivion." but this means that Daedra return to their principalicity and mortals to the god planets of the Aedra, that is Mundus.

If you as a mortal would go to an Oblivion prince, you'd become immortal because you retain your memory, where as other mortals die, forget and are reborn. Much like Umaril or Mankar Camoran's followers in Paradise actually. Or if you're a god like Vivec or Manimacro, you'd return to your own plane and be reborn from there.

So some mortals do become immortal, depending upon whether the Daedric Princes want their eternal company?

If the same holds true to Aedric alignment, then it would explain the Knights of The Nine going to Aetherius after being released by the CoC.

So was Celarus wrong when he described death in this fashion: "We recognize the multiple threats that a strong tyrant represents ... if he should die having performed a particularly malevolent act, he may go to rule in Oblivion..." http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/oldways.shtml

These mortals don't actually "rule", but instead serve under the Prince?


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Yes that's what I belive they do. They dont actually become some new Deadra but just joining their ranks.

So...A diety choses whether or not they want you there? What if multiple dieties want you in their plane?

That's sorta what Umaril did.



No. They don't choose who goes where in their afterlife. If you join up with a Daedra the afterlife consists of being alive. Without having sold your soul, you just die, get your memory scrubbed in the dreamsleeve and then you reincarnate.

Didn't Umaril undergo the Faust deal? It was the pact he made with Meridia (Meridia, seriously?) that caused him to remain there after death.

it's like the real world: you only know when you die, and there are a thousand and a half beliefs about it along the way.

Yes as in the Devil wants your eternal company, no as in payment in kind.

There is not just one "afterlife". Imperial spirits (or spirits in service of the Empire or the Nine) have mentioned going to Aetherius, Dunmer spirits have mentioned a spirit world which they prefer to remain in rather than in the mortal world, Nords go to Sovngarde, and Mythic Dawn members go to Paradise.

See the books http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/bm_sovngarde.shtml, and http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/ancestor.shtml.

Or like the gods, there is none at all.

Sovn Garde, Sleepers Arm Gaurd, Dream Sleeve.

Actually, we go to a message that asks if we want to load the most recently saved game when we die.

If you die the normal way, you go to the Dreamsleave where you're eventually Reincarnated back into Mundus. That's what usually happens, but there are alternatives to this which are explored quite a bit in TES history texts. Necromancers, for example, bind their souls to their body so instead of going into the Dreamsleave their soul stays inside of their corpse (They become a Lich). If you're murdered your soul instead goes to Sithis, or so the Dark Brotherhood beleives. Some of the darker entities work to corupt the souls of the living, for reasons beyond the understanding of mortal men. And finally in extremely rare cases, like Umbra, your soul can become entraqed into a physical object like a weapon.

The Dark Brotherhood is full of it. I always thought tha Liches are more necromancers that sacrificed their lifes so they never die. They live an eternal half-life, not dead or alive. That is what also happend to Umbra.