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Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:24 am
by Alexander Horton

How similar are the two?


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:04 am
by A Dardzz

I think the argument that "ghouls are actually just horribly mutated people..." is bogus considering how many times I've seen them sleeping underwater; they're clearly undead. It's a little more tricky for the ones who aren't feral though... never seen one of them taking a snooze in a pool of irradiated liquid


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:12 pm
by Lloyd Muldowney

Zombies tend to be the result of viral infection.


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:03 am
by Amber Ably
On the whole sleeping in irradiated water, in past games they often hung out in irradiated water, but obviously weren't sleeping in it.


Probably due to not having an animation for it; they are hanging out in mostly the same "ghoul" locations, I'd say now we're just seeing a more fleshed out picture.


As for living or dead... Dean states he isn't sure if he even has to eat, and he's been around since the bombs fell.


They can certainly exist without their limbs attached, but they have repository systems right? There have been a few chem doing ghouls in the series. The barber from the underworld was always high on jet.


You had those guys asking for sugar bombs to make ultra jet iirc, since normal jet wasn't powerful enough for them being ghouls and all.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:14 pm
by An Lor

The entire naming convention has been completely destroyed by games and movies.



The standard definition of a Ghoul is a create that feasts on the dead. They can be undead or just evil spirits. In Fallout Ghouls are people that have been mutated by radiation and often given incredibly long life. Ghouls are not evil or good, just another form of "humanity". Most ghouls have gone insane and attack none ghouls. As for the sleeping underwater, again they have mutated, your character can even develop the ability to breath underwater so why not mutations?



A Zombie by standard definition is a corpse that has been reanimated by magic in some form. They tend to be mindless and only follow direction of those that raise them or animal instincts. Ghouls by nature have intelligence and often cunning when using the classic definition.



The entertainment world has warped these definitions over time and so it is now harder to know what each is without looking at specific examples.


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:20 pm
by ..xX Vin Xx..


An interesting fact about the world of the walking dead. The term zombies is never used in it due to George Romero having never existed. :nerd:


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:39 pm
by Sabrina Steige
The word Zombie goes way back to the 1800s,mostly from African and Haitian folklore,George Romero popularized it to what it is today.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:52 pm
by SamanthaLove

lovefool35, I think you'll find that your question will ultimately conclude to the more pressing question: Can Zombie Ghouls exist?



:P


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:36 am
by Pumpkin
I think Preston best describes ghouls when you ask him, both feral and non. However that doesn't explain their ability to 'live' without food or water or aging or air (Billy). It is more like they are dead and very slowly decaying which eventually hits their brain and makes them feral. Zombies are just dead and reanimated somehow.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:28 pm
by sunny lovett

Same crap and was disappointed when I saw those feral ghouls.



Non-feral ghouls are cool though.


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:30 pm
by Khamaji Taylor
Zambies svck.


Ghouls are always cooler, in or out of Fallout.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:39 pm
by Mistress trades Melissa

They have to breathe and they can die of dehydration. They aren't undead.



They are mutated people......feral mutated people, but still people.



Billy is a lore oversight and shouldn't be considered canon. Every Fallout game (including Fallout 4 outside of that stupid quest) flat out states or alludes to the fact that Ghouls still need to eat, drink and breathe. They aren't zombies like some of the new generation of Fallout fans think they are.


In fact, in Fallout 1, if you take the Necropolis water chip without repairing the water purifier the Ghouls there die of dehydration.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:27 am
by Peter P Canning
Whilst we're on the subject, has anyone come across ghoul raiders recently? I found one earlier. Is this a new thing added by a recent update or something?

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:21 am
by Kay O'Hara


It's been there since the beginning.


Quincy Quarries has a ton of them.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:05 pm
by Makenna Nomad
The ghouls keep on going with no heads either. I have taken many heads clean off and they still won't die. Old school zombie lore was to shoot or decapitate to stop them, I think. Like In the old dawn of the dead had to shoot them in the head. Ghouls are an abomination in this game.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:38 pm
by Quick draw II


Oh I never noticed. Shows how much attention I've been paying.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:20 pm
by Matt Gammond

You're game is bugged then. In my game as well as every copy that my friends have a feral dies as soon as they lose their head.



Also again, ghouls aren't freaking zombies....


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:51 pm
by abi
That's one bug I'll keep then because it's damn funny.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:04 am
by Nana Samboy

I think all feral ghouls are just ghouls as we've always known them but the new "withered" ones are a step beyond them.


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:50 pm
by Harry-James Payne

Normal Fallout Ghouls aren't undead. They're still living. They still need to eat, drink, sleep, and breathe like any other living creature.



Fallout Equestria Ghouls are somewhat of a different story...


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:37 am
by NO suckers In Here
Ghouls r zombies.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:14 am
by Reanan-Marie Olsen
Bro ghouls are reverse vampires that crave the sun. They come from tanslyvania.

Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:20 pm
by Bedford White


Right. I was aware of the lore and all, I just started to question it after seeing them sleeping in water so many times. Specifically refering to the big pool of irradiated water right inside the border of the Glowing Sea; there's always a ton of ghouls there just taking a nap face down in knee deep water. For my own enjoyment, I'm opting to say a big F it to the lore and imagining them as undead when I'm mowing them down.


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:41 am
by Suzie Dalziel

The fact they are all wearing space suits in NV's Come Fly with Me which was written by makers of the original game supports they do breath just like us. Unless Bethesda obliterated the cannon with that also.


Zombies v Ghouls

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:44 pm
by Kate Murrell

Zombies are folks to got viral infection, died, but the virus still control the body, they also have the need of eat. Ghouls (Feral-) folks who got too much radiation, their brain rotten away, but they have little human left like sleep. Zombies and Ghouls (Feral-) acts the same, attacks everyone they sees. If I'm not mistaken, seen Ghoul (Feral-) eat on dead human. If you get bitten by Zombie, you get the virus as well. Get bitten by Ghoul (Feral-) gonna hurt a little, but Stimpack fix it. One suffer from virus, another one suffers of radiation / Gamma. Seen almost all Zombie movies by George A. Romero and Lucio Fulci. Not going to see the remakes and these on tv... bad actors acts bad, full of "cream".


Cheers,


-Klevs