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After Shivering isles, it would be a one sided contest i think lol

The Hero of Kvatch was simply someone who was destined to do great things. Right place, right time kind of deal.

The Dragonborn actually has special powers, along with being destined for greatness.

I'd say Dragonborn wins easily.

I'm not complaining, I'm saying it's totally illogical to say "Dovahkiin cuz shouts" when we're talking about a guy that has a matrix perception of time or a guy who can ONLY be damaged by bows.

You just listed off some shouts. Ok great, now let's see how they would be useful, shall we?

Elemental Fury: None of the other heroes need to be directly next to the Dragonborn to damage him. If this shout is used? Kite him. Every single one of them, except the Lone Wanderer, can run faster.
Marked for Death: The Courier? You have to manage to HIT him with it. Not likely when everything's moving in slow-mo for him and he's kept a good bit of distance between himself and the Dragonborn. Nerevarine and CoC? Shouts are still nothing but a form of magic; both of them can resist this. Lone Wanderer is again vulnerable to it.
Fire Breath/Ice Form: Again, you're NOT gonna hit the Courier with this, and the Nerevarine and CoC are just gonna resist it entirely. Lone Wanderer is still susceptible
Unrelenting Force: You're still not gonna hit the Courier. I can't recall if this gets absorbed as if it were magic or not. Even if it isn't? Both the CoC and the Nerevarine can get god-like running speed. They still have a chance to dodge it (perhaps not quite as well as the Courier since their perception of time is still normal), and even if they DO get knocked to the ground, the Nerevarine has 100% magic resistance and sanctuary (matrix-like dodging of any physical attacks, bow included) and the CoC can only be shot at with arrows; anything else won't work.


None of them are actually practical for such a fight, save for against the Lone Wanderer.
The other heroes know the value of being able to DODGE. The Dragonborn doesn't. Hence, why he generally loses.

If you want to strip everyone's armor? Well the Lone Wanderer is royally screwed no matter who he fights, the CoC and the Nerevarine? It depends on their proficiency with magic. As for the Courier? He'd actually be perfectly fine. Turbo isn't needed, Implant GRX serves the same purpose. And with or without weapons, he's still capable of Paralyzing palm and the Ranger Takedown. Sure, he'd spend several minutes beating the [censored] out of the Dragonborn with his bare hands, but he'd get the job done all the same.

To weight in, Hero of Kvatch, after all the DLCs will whip dragonborn all over the place, but we must see what happens with Dragonborn after the final DLC

Why are you even putting Fallout in this? Its asking for Elder Scrolls only

Sneak attacks work both ways. Biased supporters are biased, assuming Dovah gets sneak attack bonuses. The CoC, Courier Six, or the Lone Wanderer could destroy the dragonborn with a sneak attack, but then the fight is unfair. In a fair fight against CoC and Dovahkiin, it's still god versus mortal with some flashy powers. The worst that could happen to CoC is he takes a knee for a few seconds

And one major flaw for the dragonborn: no knee armor

plus the hero of kvatch has the ability to make his own spells unlike the dragon born. not that he would need them cause hes a GOD!!! but dont get me wrong i love skyrim and the dragonborn. to have the power that conquered tamerial what more could u ask for? oh i know becoming a GOD!!!!and guess wat happen tiber septim went from dragon born to GOD!!! that just shows a god is better then a dragon born

Akatosh was also mortally wounded however in the fight with Mehrunes Dagon. So much so, that he had to enter a regenerative hibernation/stasis, turning into the Dragon Statue in the Imperial City. Jyggalag in his prime was so powerful, that all of the other Daedric Princes (including Mehrunes Dagon) had to band together against him, and even then they couldn't completely defeat him, they could only trap him within the cage of the Sheogorath Curse. I'm pretty damn sure that Jyggalag in his prime, would've actually killed Akatosh in such a fight. Aedra, can actually die too.
However, the Jyggalag that you fight at the end of Shivering Isles, was definately NOT in his prime. He was still weak from just having assumed form, and hadn't consolidated all of his power yet. Which is why the CoC was able to defeat him.

For argument's sake, since DLC has not been released for Skyrim yet let's go with pre-dlc CoC vs. Dovahkiin. >.>

There was a thread shortly before this one that was "Dovahkiin vs. Courier Six," and the discussion looked more or less the same.
I'm bringing that back up alongside this current matchup (and some others, like the Nerevarine) to make a point that shouting is the most overrated reason for beating any of the protagonists (save the Lone Wanderer). Something the CoC, Nerevarine and the Courier all have in common is the ability to dodge or resist being hit. Shouts then become useless because they either A) are offensive and require that they land a hit, which is unlikely or B ) are defensive and/or self-buffs, but the Dragonborn can simply be kited by anyone with ranged attacks during the duration of these.

man i love debates like this lol good times

The CoC is immortal, the Dragonborn isnt, its not even a fair match up

Hero also has acrobatics and athletics.

Well since The Hero Of Kavatch is Sheogorath in the Dragon Borns time, then I think the Hero wins.

well turning into a vampire lord isnt going to help the dragonborn either.lol its all fun man

I would submit to the Dragonborn.

First off, let's stick to The Elder Scrolls. Granted, this is mainly because I have absolutely no idea who The Courier and Lone Wanderer are.

Ok, let's look at the CoC damaging the Dragonborn then. The Dragonborn is dressed in his legendary dragonbone armor, enchanted with resist magic to the 80% cap and also reduce the cost of Restoration spells by 100%. He's also at level 81, and has invested each level up into health.

The CoC hits the Dragonborn with a sword. The dragonborn's armor takes most of it, and his high health is hardly damaged. Even if he does take significant damage, his 0-cost restoration spells quickly recover his health. Or he could use Become Ethere, another powerful shout, to become totally immune to damage.

CoC fires a spell at the Dragonborn. 80% resist magic takes care of that. An arrow? Restoration or become ethereal. Dragonborn could use the sneak perk that causes an enemy to stop combat for a moment when sneak is entered. Dragonborn turns invisible, sneaks away. Uses throw voice, another good shout, to distract CoC. Calls Dragon - while the dragon can't harm CoC, it can distract him. Plus the dragon can die, as he's essential.

A well-aimed sneak attack and the CoC takes significant damage. Could probably throw a paralysis poison on that arrow too.

Perhaps we should say the battle will never be won?

LOL, are we seriously making new accounts over this?

thats wat i said in an earlier post. we on the same page

LMAO. hero of kvatch are u serious. your sheogorath man!!!

That would be one DLC. Its pretty much certain that Skyrim will have at least 2 DLC's. Who knows, maybe the 2nd DLC will have us taken into godhood, like Talos. I highly doubt it, but you never know. There are several possibilities for improvement of the Dovahkiin in the 2nd DLC. Plus, we are going to Soul Cairn in this DLC, who knows what will happen there.

Hence I mentioned Mehrune's Razor.
Mehrune's Razor can OHKO anyone with a lucky hit. The OHKO is actually a magic spell. The CoC can afford to spam hits on the Dragonborn until one finally succeeds. And hell, he can repeatedly freeze time, attacking again with the razor when time is unfrozen, then re-freezing time to try again, thus sparing him from having to cope with any of the Dragonborn's offenses. EVENTUALLY he'll get the kill shot and the Dragonborn will die.

The Dragonborn CANNOT attempt this on the CoC because he has 100% magic reflect. If the dagger procs and sets off the OHKO, the effect WILL reflect and kill the Dragonborn instead.

The Dragonborn is screwed.

but if u want to go on level cap oblivion does have one i know people who are lvl 120 with their characters.

Dragonborn would kill the CoC before the spell worked, especially with the resist magic. And in th case of the Staff of Sheogorath - the staff would eventually run out of charge, making it useless. Then CoC would have to return to the 'spam until spell works' method.

Besides, Dragonborn would likely have brought Lydia with him. Given her a Daedric arrow, and thus infinite Daedric arrows. She'd just pelt the CoC with these arrows while he tries to get the spell to work on the Dragonborn, and eventually Lydia and her Hunting Bow would kill the CoC.

CoC is screwed.

i use to be the dragon born but then the champion of cyrodiil gave me an arrow to the knee. i couldnt resist lol