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This is just a technicality, but the Enclave had nothing to do with the great war. The REAL Us gov't pressed the big red buttons. The Enclave is a shadow goverment, meaning they were created to take over if the real goverment got blown to atoms, which they did.

That was the primary reason for there organization! They looked to the future saw the nuke holocaust and planned for the future comeback of America post bombs.

I'm curious as to why wanting to rebuild America is bad? *scratches head*

I disagree with the sentiment that NCR doesn't "murder people" or whatever the argument is. The Chosen One is never presented with evidence that this occurs, but we see only one town in F2, and there is plenty of evidence that the NCR is not afraid of strong-arm tactics and intimidation. It would take nothing to dress up as some raiders and kill a few people in a town in order to convince them of the benefits of annexation. And, like any organized government, they will do anything it takes to remain in power. If that means a few troublesome villagers die where no one cares about, then whatever. To suggest that this kind of thing doesn't happen just because we don't see it is pretty naive.

I'm assuming you're referring to the Squatters at Vault 15. The NCR never does anything to harm them during the game, or during any of the endings. They either prosper with the help of the NCR, or die out depending on the Chosen One's actions. It's not "naive" to come to a conclusion based on the facts presented in the story; this is fiction and not real life.

Vault 15, Redding, New Reno, Vault City all receive enormous pressure from NCR. Just what, exactly, that pressure is, we never know. It's naive to assume anything based on incomplete data.

No it's presumptuous. What information we do have points to NCR being a fairly decent government with corruption like any other government, but there is absolutely nothing painting them as mass murderers.

I am not arguing that they are, merely that, as players, we aren't given enough information to know.

You REALLY have an obsession with bashing the game in every post you make, Andaius?

What bashing? It's true they didn't expand on them did they? they just recycled them.

What bashing? It's true they didn't expand on them did they? they just recycled them.

If the enclave is a democracy in the way America was then how the hell did a talking computer get elected as president? Dont the people actually voting want to see who they are voting for? Anyway seems kinda funny, they have a computer as pres. no wonder they are going down the tubes.

If the enclave is a democracy in the way America was then how the hell did a talking computer get elected as president? Dont the people actually voting want to see who they are voting for? Anyway seems kinda funny, they have a computer as pres. no wonder they are going down the tubes.

Eden should have transferred his brain chip into a sentrybot or something a little more mobile thank goodness he didn't become liberty prime. I can see him outside of megaton launching mininukes at it yelling god bless the USA!

Eden should have transferred his brain chip into a sentrybot or something a little more mobile thank goodness he didn't become liberty prime. I can see him outside of megaton launching mininukes at it yelling god bless the USA!

The B.O.S. is better bcuz they actually accept you and also they support Three Dog. Owwwwwwwwwww

I hate him.

Biggest hypocrite in the entire game. Constantly brags about fighting the "Good Fight" by ranting over some old radio gear instead of actually helping people, when what he really does is just pump his listeners full of propoganda and what he thinks is right. And of course, he can get away with it since he's got one of the very few (and most accessible) radio stations in the wasteland. It's pretty amusing when he does nothing but laud praise onto the Brotherhood of Steel, since they commit acts that Three Dog considers "heinous" judging by his reaction to you (you're a "scumbag" for killing a homicidal ghoul, but it's okay for the BoS to take pot-shots at every ghoul they meet), and yet he doesn't care. So he's not really telling the "truth like it is", he's just exaggerating the chivalry of the organization that's protecting his sorry ass. He also likes to spout crap without verifying whether it's true or not. I realize this is a game mechanic, but the fact it's part of his dialogue means it has to be considered from a story perspective. Accusing someone of nuking a populated town is a serious accusation, and Three Dog will do so just because you were "sighted" around Tenpenny Tower. So much for the truth and the facts -- sometimes he's got the truth, but never the facts to back it up.

Also, if you happen to play an evil character, then he's not really inspiring anyone with his "good fight" if he's spending most of his radio time reminding everyone that there's an unstoppable psychopath running around that will probably kill them all. tongue.gif And given that the Vault 101 dweller is more influential than the Brotherhood far enough into the game, he would be implying that evil and chaos can succeed where "good" and order fail. Really raises the spirits.

His request for you to fix his reception was apalling on many levels; a 19-year-old kid fresh out of an isolated Vault with little to no experience in the wastes is trying to find his dad --- what does Three Dog do? Sends the kid on what's the equivilant of a suicide mission just to get the vague info of James heading to Rivet City. Why couldn't one of those Brotherhood lackeys do it? He could just brag about how awesome and good they are twice as much and advertise their recruitment opportunities so that they can bolster their dwindling numbers. But no... it's got to be the 19-year-old pampered vault kid. And if you happen to disagree with him, then you are forced to come off as an ignorant, selfish brat with no concept of patience.

I like his replacement though; says a few short words and gets right into the music. No propoganda, no obnoxious self-righteous attitude, just music. And the occasional reminder that you did real good in the word by killing off a loony as intent on indoctrination as the main baddies.


I kind've wished that I could hook him up with Star Paladin Cross. Given that they're both judgemental, self-righteous morons who think that you exist only to get pushed around by the "real" saints (a.k.a Three Dog and Lyons), they would've made for a great couple.