Entirely correct. Well, almost. I'm not sure if BAIT is the official name and will replace the BAIN acronym in the documentation, or if it will still be referred to as BAIN once BAIT is finished. That's kinda up to myk.

CBash is its name. It is a completely separate library that isn't officially tied to Wrye Bash...Bash just happens to make use of it. I know of at least 3 other programs (none publicly released by their authors) that use it.

Amazing! Bash3k.
I intended to wait for the purchase of Skyrim until release of region regulation and completion of translation were over. but I may not wait in patience.

@Waruddar:

Well, I think I'll hold off on trying to add anything to Bash3k, as I just don't want to spend the effort learning your new system. Not that I'm lazy, just there is so much to do. So I'll just keep chugging along on the ESP/ESM format. I'll be putting out a wipz mod stucture viewing too here soon, which should help out tons.

Well, after playing the game for a few hours, these are a few things I have learned.

The wxPython flash viewer doesn't seem to work with skyrims swf files(or at least I couldn't produce a working module). Does anybody know of a free tool that will view the swf files ATM?
The 'dead pixels'(monitor) bug is a graphics driver issue. I have an nvidia card. Just update your drivers to 285.##+. Most people have realized this but some of the older drivers that can run everything else, will have problems with skyrim.

Question: Are the BAIN wizards going to be ported over to this, going to work the same initialy, scripting and functionality wise?
Is the main utility still primarily using python and wxPy, aside from the few side fork projects being worked on ATM?

Also, Is it just me, but it appears that after the game is installed, it can be run directly though the exe without steam being run in the backround... This was noticed when I was offline and the launcher wouldn't start because of some offline-ness or maybe steam itself... It also ran out of the box without the disk in the dvd drive....
It appears that the settings can be tweaked(though the inis) without steam intervening and svcking up extra resources. Therefore there should be an easy way to launch the game without steam after initial install.

Anywho... what is the progress on Wrye Rim(or whatever it will be called)?

You can set steam client to Offline mode, not run at windows startup, and yep run the game from just the exe. You do need the steam client for updates (patches) to the game though.

The only other things you may want the steam client is if you want all that achievements / friends popping up / adverts from valve mallarky going on and taking resources ... May appeal to the google click happy / facebook / mario bros crowd but I found with the steam client properly configured (by properly I mean off until required for updates, and then it gets put to bed again) - The game runs far better. https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555

nevermind

What I am saying is that steam offline mode doesn't even start either, which is fine by me...(not sure they intended it this way, but ok)
Also that apparently this disk isn't required to burn out your dvd drive every time it spins up which is nice.
Not sure haven't checked any utilities(WIPz or not) out yet... Still trying to figure out the flash and meshes...

Wrye Swank?

Its very fine by me - Maybe if they did not allow us to use just the exe it would have been a bad move preventing the new OBSE/FOSE development .... http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1255931-wipz-skyrim-script-extender-skse/ ... and preventing all the talented scripters / modders from increasing longevity and community participation over the coming years, and keeping the overall sales going.

Edit: Come to think of it .. It would have made launching the game + or - SKSE via the new Wrye Bash a bit awkward too if forced to use the game launcher tied into the steam client.

Hey,

I have had this installed for the FLV part of the Program but says it does SWF also where does one find the SWF files to try?

http://wiki.eltima.com/knowledge-base.html.....I have this installed for a year no oddities yet...Looks like a pay thing now....But..

This is Open Source and made for game UI....http://tulrich.com/geekstuff/gameswf.html Worth a shot?

You will need to extract the game files from the BSAs with a BSA extractor or other utility. BSA Commander does not work. OBMM or FOMM might work, but didn't try them...
This one works http://sites.google.com/site/ronsworkspace/GameUtilities/fallout3
FO3 Archive
The swf files are in the Skyrim - Interface.bsa.

Splash?
Squash?
Stash?

Anyway, IMO Smash is the best.
And if it is as useful as the Bash, I am 2011% in favor, regardless the name.

But, I repeat, I think Smash is the best and keeps the tradition alive.
Thanks for the WIP.
When's the release?
My game arrives in 3-5 working days, so... no pressure

Wrye Bash to Wrye Slash.

Would that mean BAIN (BAsh INstaller) for Oblivion becomes SLAIN (SLAsh INstaller) for Skyrim?

Personally I like both Slash and Smash. "Mash, Bash, Smash" certainly has a nice ring to it as well.

Rim

get to work we must preciouss

Bash3k runs

edit : Wrye Bash I'd say with Warrudar - one Bash to Patch them all

I uninstalled Oblivion a while ago, so I don't remember... does Bash have functionality for different character savegame profiles, and will Bash3k support it soon?

Also (and this one's just for the sake of curiosity): is Bash3k being developed concurrently alongside a Bash for Skyrim (or Smash or whatever y'all decide)? Or is the Skyrim support effort being funneled entirely into Bash3k?

I tried the PreAlpha for Skyrim, works, but most options (installers, Saves etc.) are unusable.

I hope you'll proceed in your excellent work.

or Sky Bash ...

I'm really hoping this gets off the ground sooner rather than later, if only for the use of a BAIN like installer and organiser. Nexus Mod Manager is unkindly reminding me why I stopped using OBMM/FOMM.
I just want to see what files it's installing and how they conflict, so I can order them apropriately. BAIN - I MISS YOU

@Warrudar

Since this is a rebuild from the ground up it would be great if some issues were solved for good. One basic such issue is the refactoring of settings/install (game) profiles. It would be great now if apart from the settings being moved in Mopy\config\ [1] the "save profiles" would be generalized to include the BAIN data. So maybe a Mopy\config\ folder for program settings and a Mopy\profiles\ (initially Mopy\profiles\default) for profile settings. Let's discuss this so when the time comes for BAIT, Nehrim-Skyrim etc everything will be in place. I do like the elegance of current save profiles - so maybe have an hierarchy like BAIN profile > save profiles ?
Anyway this part of the code used to be buggy (cf esm swapping) - so it's a nice opportunity to debug it for good

Related tickets
http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=3059673
http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=2985605
http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=2985293

Also please check : http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1236811-relz-wrye-bash/page__view__findpost__p__18769920 for a very comprehensive dissection of enhancements/bugs status. Since Unicode will be out of the way a couple of very useful new features would be :

• a BSA and a BCF tab
  
• handling of docs via BAIN (see the comments in the linked post) and
  
• the BAIN/BAIT section ones (I am eager to see this around too - before the CK is out)

Another point is that apparently the INI tweaks may need to tweak 2 Inis at once - see posts on FOV (which do not quite work anyway).

Ah yes - please make the menu bar optional

Thanks !

[1] (by default - if this not being customizable make sure symlinks work - an ideal place for such things is the dropbox)

Not sure if this is an exercise in impatience but I'm wondering if anyone had tried to install the latest Bash onto Skyrim and what the results would be.

Not for bashed patch - I mean to use it for BAIN.

May require a few ini edits, but it may be a hold over till BAIN with this version is done.

@Psymon: wouldn't work unfortunately (part of the reason why we need to do the refactoring). Wrye Bash is hard coded to look for certain things: either "Oblivion.esm" or "Nehrim.esm" - that in itself wouldn't cause a problem, just a warning. However, if it doesn't find Oblivion.exe, it will throw an error and quit. Aside from that, assuming you did work around those issues, it would tell you that every mod has corrupt headers, and refuse to display them in the Mod's tab. That's because the file format is different, so Wrye Bash would be getting something different than expected.

Anyway, what Waruddar's got right now is pretty much how far I'd gotten anyway (I had to strip most every feature out to get it to handle Skyrim), so I'm thinking to save multiple people working on similar things and wasting time, I'll let War take it for this part, until he's got it to a stage where it'll be easier for me to work in some stuff on my own. Plus this way we're already on Python 3.x with it's benifits, like way better Unicode support. That way I can continue working on file format stuff (trying to figure out the changes to the ESS format right now) so we can get to making Bashed Patches quicker.

I just tried it now - as far as BAIN goes, it appears to work. I had to copy my Oblivion.exe into the skyrim directory or it wouldn't start, and of course edit bash.ini to point to my skyrim mods.

Best of luck while programming Smash (or whatever the name will be). I've always loved Mash and Bash. Keep up the good work!

Steam has offered delta-patches rather than file-patches for a couple of months now. That new system also uses http so it has less grief with firewalls.

I would be very surprised if skyrim used the old system.

I can confirm that Bain works well except for Interface files which didnt exist back in Oblivion. I already use it to manage my mods.
Just make a copy of your skyrim.exe and rename it to oblivion.exe, make a bash.ini with manual paths to everything and then to ignore constant wrong header errors.