[WIPZ] Wrye Smash (?) : V

» Thu May 17, 2012 1:17 am

For those of you that don't know what this is, I refer you to http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?showtopic=1246061.

This is just to let you guys know that I've started the refactoring and such necessary to make Wrye Bash support Skyrim. Initially my goals are:

Load Order management.
BAIN - although, technically if we're going with the acronym correctly it would be SMAIN - SMAsh INstallers, or SAIN - SAsh INstallers, etc.
Basic mod information extraction - hopefully not too many changes in the ESP/ESM format have happened, and we'll be able to do simple stuff right off the bat (author, description, etc)
An official name - Smash is just a tentative name, going along the lines of taking pieces of mods and Mashing, Bashing, or Smashing them together. Other options would be Skash, Sash, etc. We'll settle on an official name when it's finally going to go beta.
Launchers - SKSE, BOSS for Skyrim, etc

Long term goals:

Decode any new record types, and changes in known record types
Get Bashed Patch (Smashed Patch?) generation going
Get some ESS decoding going if necessary, for saved game management.

Some things other thoughts:

Replacers: will ArchiveInvalidatedInvalidated! work, or has Bethesda fixed the engine bug that forced us to use that method? Or will replacers "Just Work" by plopping them in the Data folder? Maybe there will be a slightly different method altogether? In any case, we'll play it safe and just drop the files into the Data folder to being with, until we figure it out.
Hmmmm.

And for those that are wondering, this isn't going to be a fork of Wrye Bash, it'll be the same program that just acts differently based on which game it detects it's setup for. This way new features will get shared back and forth between Bash and Smash. I'm expecting to get a very simple working model in about 2 weeks (mods tab, INI Edits Tab, thats it).

» Wed May 16, 2012 3:22 pm

Sounds great. Thanks.

» Wed May 16, 2012 1:01 pm

YES! This makes me immensely happy

Any news / contact from Wrye? Apparantly about 1million people have cancelled their WOW subs due to MW3 and TES5, so he's to hoping he's one :foodndrink:

» Wed May 16, 2012 10:24 pm

YES! This makes me immensely happy

Any news / contact from Wrye? Apparantly about 1million people have cancelled their WOW subs due to MW3 and TES5, so he's to hoping he's one :foodndrink:

800k is what I heard. Though, I also heard that it was more than just WoW that he got tied up with.

» Wed May 16, 2012 4:42 pm

Good news, but isn't Smash a bit too close to Mash of Morrowind version? :hehe:

» Thu May 17, 2012 3:12 am

Good news, but isn't Smash a bit too close to Mash of Morrowind version? :hehe:

Slash?

Also, glad to hear it. Wrye is an amazing tool.

» Wed May 16, 2012 7:25 pm

This is wonderful news! Thank you for taking up the torch. :mohawk:

I'll cast my vote for Smash. Just sounds awesome.

» Wed May 16, 2012 12:50 pm

The name need the 'k' in it, so.... Wrye Skank? no, that's silly :facepalm:

» Thu May 17, 2012 4:53 am

The name need the 'k' in it, so.... Wrye Skank? no, that's silly :facepalm:

I still think Kash has a nice ring to it, but that's just me.

» Wed May 16, 2012 11:12 pm

I still think Kash has a nice ring to it, but that's just me.

It's got to be an actual verb though, like bash, flash, mash, so unless anyone thinks of something better/more appropriate that smash, it's what we're gonna have to go with. We'll be using it potentially for years so lets get it right!

» Wed May 16, 2012 2:19 pm

It's got to be an actual verb though, like bash, flash, mash, so unless anyone thinks of something better/more appropriate that smash, it's what we're gonna have to go with. We'll be using it potentially for years so lets get it right!

Krash? That kinda has bad connotations >.>

» Wed May 16, 2012 10:17 pm

Krash? That kinda has bad connotations >.>

Yeah and how sounds a krashed (crashed) patch to you. Not to well I suppose.

» Wed May 16, 2012 1:47 pm

Yeah and how sounds a krashed (crashed) patch to you. Not to well I suppose.

Nope, but it does have a nice ring. ^^

» Wed May 16, 2012 4:44 pm

This is great news.

The version for Fallout: New Vegas was called Wrye Flash. In keeping with that name scheme, Wrye Slash would be the name for this one.

» Wed May 16, 2012 1:35 pm

The race is on! Which mod manager will release first: SKMM or Wrye Smash?

» Thu May 17, 2012 12:06 am

This is great news.

The version for Fallout: New Vegas was called Wrye Flash. In keeping with that name scheme, Wrye Slash would be the name for this one.

Wrye SLASH! I like it! Especially now we can duel wield :toughninja:

The race is on! Which mod manager will release first: SKMM or Wrye Smash?

Plus there's now Nexus Mod Manager! This could get confusing. Although, from what DarkOne said, I thing OBMM/FOMM has now become NMM (FOMM actually connected to Nexus and would download updates for mods - not that I ever used it - 203 mods - all installed via Bain :flamethrower:

)

» Wed May 16, 2012 10:57 pm

BAIN is called BAIN even when used with Mash iirc.

» Wed May 16, 2012 5:12 pm

[list][*]Decode any new record types, and changes in known record types
[*]Get Bashed Patch (Smashed Patch?) generation going

You might want to take a look at http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35003 - after all, Skyrim is based on Fallout 3/New Vegas.
And I gotta say - Wrye Slash is totally an awesome name.

» Wed May 16, 2012 10:33 pm

Wrye Clash of the Titans, because even Mt. Olympus wants to import that awesome armor. Wrye Cash, because your cup runneth over with the mods you are 'cashing in' as your right of a pc owner.

» Thu May 17, 2012 1:24 am

Why not just Wrye Bash - Skyrim?

If memory serves, when it first appeared it didn't follow any hard rule about using the respective first game letter. Otherwise, we'd have Obash, Wryvion and the like :facepalm:

» Wed May 16, 2012 9:15 pm

Wrye Slash does have a certain ring to it.

» Thu May 17, 2012 1:25 am

Hulk smash!!!

I thought you were saying that Wrye has returned with gamma radiation sickness.

Bash together ... mash together .... smash together. I like smash better.

» Wed May 16, 2012 9:44 pm

Awhile back I suggested Wrye Sash. It fits in with the other naming conventions that take a single letter from each game: Mash (from the "M" in Morrowind), Bash (from the "B" in Oblivion) and Sash (from the "S" in Skyrim).

» Wed May 16, 2012 1:21 pm

Some time ago I gave up on trying to get FOMM to work on my computer and started exclusively using Wrye Bash/Flash for everything mod related (aside from the occasional merged patch). This is great news for me since I have no intentions of even installing Nexus Mod manager.

» Wed May 16, 2012 4:59 pm

Ooh smashing ... Oh crap, another potential Pictorial Guide needed

- Well I doubt it from the UI conversations that went previously, nearly a clean slate to start with so the feedback in the latter half of this year plus all the recent improvements which made Wrye Bash 295 really good, along with Myk's BAIT and a new base for CBash ... Good luck guys, but dont burn the candle at both ends