I'm pretty sure Boethiah is cool with you deceiving his follower into a trap that ends in his death. I mean he IS the Daedric Prince of lies and deceit. In fact, he's probably sitting in Oblivion watching you and thinking "AW MAN! I wish I had thought of that! Nice play Dragonborn!"

I just wish there were ways to sabotage the Deadra Princes quests and cut off some of their power in skyrim.

I find that these games tend to reward you for being evil more than they reward you for being good. If you want to be the goody-goody, you basically can't do half of the game. if you're an evil mercenary you can do everything, because money and power are always cool motivators.

My character kinda evolved from summoner mage, to power/wealth hungry godslayer....absolute power does what again?

For the 9th time, the quest started out as one AGAINST a Daedra Lord.

+1

Anyone remember the old table-top game In Nomine? Kobal, the Demon Prince of Dark Irony? Any quest that would be funnier if it involved your death was fair game in his book? Good times...

That's a good point of view.

Agreed kill or be killed kill or don't kill just play how you wish to play you seem to forget it's ONLY a game.

Vaermina's quest was black and white indeed... let the guy who poisoned his friends with eternal sleep yet fled to save himself live (bad), or make him join his friends in eternal rest (which would also be eternal nightmares (remember the skull?) (white), I just wish you could have sided with the Vaermina followers in the end

You could have chosen to gain your freedom as your reward and thereby resist the temptation (yes, that's a conversation option). By agreeing to the terms of Molag Bal (I think it's his quest), you already made a pact with the Daedra Lord.

Nope. I haven't forgotten this is only a game.

But I enjoy the game. A lot. So, just like you, I spend some time on this forum talking about the game.

Sometimes I talk about what I don't like.

I'm sure you've done the same.

You could volunteer at the Orphanage that you killed that one person in for that one quest. Wouldn't the be a turn around? haha

You can't really define most of the Deadra as evil or good, they just are. Some of what they might have you do falls under one or the other categories, but the Daedra themselves are above the categories of good and evil. With some exceptions, Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal tend to fall under evil more, while Meridia and Azura fall under good more often. But Azura especially is a good example of that, completely merciless if offended.

Make a save before accepting quests so that you can revert if you don't like where the quest leads your character.

Oh, I could load back.

But it would be nice to have an option in quests to finish them without being totally evil.

Like others have said, if you want to be a good person you miss out on a lot of content.

For me the problem is that the lack of choices in quests is often immersion-breaking. For instance (some spoilers ahead): I go to Riften, learn that the town is corrupt and that it is to a large extent that way because Maven Blackbriar runs the place, owns the Jarl, and owns the Thieves' Guild. I want to join the Thieves' Guild, but they ask me to frame a perfectly nice guy, and then rough up the only halfway-pleasant people in town. I don't want to do this. My preferred solution to this would instead be to assassinate Maven Blackbriar, but there is no quest option to do this, and I can't find anyone in town who is willing to request such a thing. No biggie -- I decide I'll go assassinate her on my own. So, I find a nice shady spot out of the way, hide myself, put on all my +damage stuff, pop an archery potion, pull out my highest-damage bow, and when I see her walk by, I wait until Maven is alone and stationary, and bam! plug her in the chest with an arrow for 3.0x damage. She goes down like a sack of bricks, ONLY TO GET UP THREE SECONDS LATER BECAUSE SHE'S MARKED AS FREAKING ESSENTIAL.

I'm cool with having quests that ask you to do bad things, but not only does that particular quest chain offer no alternatives (when there's a clearly visible option to fix the situation), but also when I decide to try to take matters into my own hand to at least have some RP fun problem-solving the situation on my own, the game doesn't even give me that option. There are a lot of things I like about this game, but the way you get railroaded down a single narrative in some quest chains is not one of them.

I just sat there and he told me that it was either him or me and he attacked me. I had to defend myself at that point

lol yes you can meykeru.


Jeffrey: Jeffrey,it's the Thieves Guild . What you expect from them? While killing for the Dark brotherhood it makes sense,it would cause some crazier stuff for the Thieves Guild. You can't just go and kill a vital npc because they don't want people to whine after their game is ruined. The reason why they don't allow every possible action for every character is because it's IMPOSSIBLE. Skyrim is too massive to make choice for every single quest. It would take them forever

I wanted to be a good nord. It's impossible in this new TES. In Oblivion my character was very good, in this i can only be a normal person. An sometimes i'm force to do something very bad like kill old men, or something like this...

well daedra lords themselves are bad most of the time,So if you want a simple solution don't do the their quests.on a wiki here it says ''Daedra usually have extremist tendencies'' and ''several princes do seem to take genuine pleasure in tremendous acts of devastation'' . so yes in a matter of speaking all daedra lords are bad. And I don't disagree with the fact there are less good choices,but the fact you act for more. What I love most about Skyrim is that it's not the traditional good guys against bad guys where you just decide to become good or bad. It reflects more on real life and on the consequences which aren't necessary good, which is similar to the Witcher, and it's a great reason why it's an amazing game. Good vs bad guys games are too common anyways.

Oh and Thuggle you do realize there is no way for them to make alternatives to the daedric quests right?Defying a daedra lord would mean the imprisonment of the character or a painful death. They are gods after all, and if you don't do their bidding, they'll def make sure you'll die a painful death. By doing that however you're doing a bad thing, since with you dead,dragons will destroy more towns since you won't be there to protect them, and you'll have more lives lost just because you wanted to do something ''good''.

Then ignore the crazy Daedra Lord and go on your merry way.
There is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion,but starting topics about it,especially in the fashion you did gets you lined up next to the whining good guy completionists.

And they are starting to work on our collective nerves right around now.

There is an alternate way as has been stated before.
I agree with you, trying to double-cross a Daedra Lord shouldn't really be an option, they are godlike entities after all.

I released the forsworns at late night. Everybody was at home, cooking, having dinner, [censored], sleeping. Only those corrupt bastard guards were slain during the street fights xD Still everybody says they saw me escaping with the forsworn and do I know how many ppl died?! rofl.

Here's what I see:

"Guys, I played Oblivion [therefore implying I am fully aware of who the Mythic Dawn are and what they do.]

Then I went to this museum to the Mythic Dawn hosted by the descendant of one of the assassins of Uriel Septim VII and is in essence hosting a Neo-Nazi Tribute to the most destructive cult in Imperial history.

Then he asked me to put together a dagger hand used by the Devil, who likewise invaded Cyrodiil.

Then he led me to the shrine of the Lord of Destruction.

And now I have to do EVIL???"

+1

In some situations this is appropriate.

The Molag Bal one? Not so much at all.

Ahhahaha dat was epic. In the final confrontation I expected the guy to attack me but he just started to beg for his life.
I think he was a fool who really wanted to save a piece of history. I let him live but his own god, Dagon betrayed him and summoned two dremoras who simply onehit the tarded guy. XD When I went back to the museum I found the Razor's shards in a glass container. OMG THOSE JUST TELEPORTED THERE!

It's impossible? You even get a quest chain to help people solve their love problems!