This is more of a lore question, but i guess it could have in game effects as well.

I have read some where that the mojave wasteland was not hit as hard as other places. Is this accurate?

From the screen shots, it looks as if there is some amount of vegetation, does this mean that things can grow in the mojave wasteland?

Do people have the capacity to farm in the mojave wasteland?

yeah

There are loads of vegetables that will grow in nearly any climate, so hopefully there will be farming communities and new food replacing the prevelant pre-war food.

Can't imagine why they wouldn't. There were farms in FO and FO2, and the only major obstacle in the Mojave would be water. But then near New Vegas, what with the Hoover Dam, you'd have a fairly decent supply of that. So, the capacity should be a no-problem situation. Whether the developers put it into the game or not may be another story. :shrug:

I'd love to see towns that made sense. If you took, for example, Big Town from Fallout 3 and gave them an active source of food and water in game, it would up the realism and therefore immersion.

It would be a mistake to not include some sort of farming or agriculture.

Thanks for the replies.

Hmmm. Maybe finding food in hardcoe mode wont be to bad.

Since agriculture is usually the basis for more advanced,civilized societies, I wonder how much longer the wasteland would really last.

We've seen agriculture in screenshots and videos, and Lily is a Nightkin Gardener (and bighorn wrangler).

There is a lot of plant life in the Mojave Desert and in F:NV's Mojave Wasteland. Plants like Joshua Trees and Mesquite are well-adapted to the climate and can found all over the place. F:NV's communities do engage in farming out of necessity, but they do not typically get good yields because farming in the Mojave Desert can present a lot of problems. In the real world, agriculture was common along the Colorado River among the Paiute tribes because of easy access to water, but the soil presents many issues. First, the soil in most of the desert is sandy and doesn't hold water well. Second, the soil is typically alkaline, which affects the ability of many crops to grow there. Finally, some of the Mojave has a layer of caliche (hardpan) running a few inches under the surface. Roots have a difficult time penetrating the caliche, which is why many desert plants have broad, shallow root systems. Farmers have to break up the caliche if they want non-native crops to take root. All that said, people still do grow crops in the desert. It's a pain, but it can be done. Some people grow crops that are native to the environment and others just do the best they can by painstakingly dealing with the soil and water issues.

I like how you look deeply even into things like how the denizens of New Vegas will grow their food. It shows an excellent attention to detail that I am hopeful will permeate the game.

I guess the real basis of my curiosity was if the people of new vegas have a sustainable consistent food source. From that post it looks like it is difficult and semi-consistent .

With the size of new vegas, which I'm guessing is one of the larger settlements in existence, has alot of potential for growth.

Since new vegas has electricity, water (is the water from the dam Irradiated?) and a way to produce food semi-consistently. It seems like the potential growth, as in how many people can populate an area and still be able to be sustained by those regional resources,is pretty huge.

This almost seems the tipping point where society could really start rebuilding itself. Intense factional/regional competition for resources would slow rebuild, we saw one in FO:3 and the hoover damn is likely to play some part in NV. This society is farther along than the DC area in FO3. It seems like real permanent infrastructure might take be implemented very soon. Maybe 100 more years with sustainable resources?


Are there other settlements in Fallout lore that are this size? San Francisco is pretty large right?

What happens to the Fallout universe when people start moving back to urban centers because of sustainable resources like food,water, electricity?

It'd make sense to have some form of agriculture considering that they have to feed the Brahmin/Big Horners with some sort of greenery. :tops:

Well the west is a lot more developed than the east, they even have working TVs. Plus there was agriculture in F1 and 2

Awesome!

I did see a crop of corn in the latest trailer behind one of the NPCs, very cool

My apologizes I haven't got my hands on Fallout 1 or 2. Were those societies in the same state of development as new vegas? How big were the population centers in comparison?

Even in fo3 the most barren of the fallouts there was alot of food being produced. Mind you remember in a system like this one alot of the food is meat from animals. Big bugs means alot of bug meat. In reality a single radscorpian could feed a family of 4 for quite some time and a single ratpig could feed you for weeks.

Also coincidering the tech available hydroponics and such would handle alot of plant growing needs.

Maybe I'll just make one of my characters a mojave farmer that blasts people trying to steal his crops.

Wonder if any houses have a garden?

See the link in my sig, use that.

Let's see, Klamath. I dunno, rather big, around 50 people or counting the one's you can find.
They farm, have a brothel, a pub, gecko hunting, rat hunting, hotel, brahmin pens, a jerky meat place and maybe something else.

porm studio :wink_smile:


It would also behoove you to play 1 and 2, I think you can get them free somewhere(This part is directed to TC not you Gabe).