After re-installing a bunch of mods like OOO and better cities (also running the entire FCOM setup) some sections of the map, particuarly regarding water or the sea bed, have simply been erased from my game! I have no idea what would be causing this, as there are no issues with the mod listing and 4EDIT finds no conflictions. Is this likely a problem with the Better Cities setup, and if so is there a commonly recognised way of solving it?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ZombieGenesis/Oblivion2011-04-1617-57-37-32.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ZombieGenesis/Oblivion2011-04-1617-57-57-96.jpg

Wish I hadn't messed with it to begin with, but had to solve the damn Skingrad mages quest bug.

http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?/topic/370277-missing-water/?

Well they mentioned somehting about uNumDepthGrids=1 in the Ini...
I checked my Ini, there is no uNumDepthGrids. Along with most other settings that thread suggests tweaking. I don't quite understand why.

Messed around with the suggested settings but nothing changes.
For some reason my Ini. has no uNumDepthGrids option, which was supposedly the problem, but adding the setting has no effect at all.

Other than this, I'm utterly stumped.

Should be in the water section. Last one. Mine is there.....

Are you editing the INI located here......C:\Users\Your user name\Documents\My Games\Oblivion" and not the Default one in the Oblivion Dir?

Edit.....I just found mine in 2 clicks of Find next.....Open the INI in the My documents folder..Click edit>Find...type in "Depth". Click find next.....

This is the water setting I have. Looked up the default Ini online and the default doesn't list a DepthGrid either :/
Doesn't make sense to me, but nevermind. Adding one doesn't fix the problem is all I know.


[Water]
fAlpha=0.5000
uSurfaceTextureSize=128
SSurfaceTexture=water
SNearWaterOutdoorID=NearWaterOutdoorLoop
SNearWaterIndoorID=NearWaterIndoorLoop
fNearWaterOutdoorTolerance=1024.0000
fNearWaterIndoorTolerance=512.0000
fNearWaterUnderwaterVolume=0.9000
fNearWaterUnderwaterFreq=0.3000
uNearWaterPoints=8
uNearWaterRadius=1000
uSurfaceFrameCount=32
uSurfaceFPS=12
bUseWaterReflectionsMisc=0
bUseWaterReflectionsStatics=0
bUseWaterReflectionsTrees=0
bUseWaterReflectionsActors=0
bUseWaterReflections=1
bUseWaterHiRes=0
bUseWaterDisplacements=1
bUseWaterShader=1
uDepthRange=125
bUseWaterDepth=1
bUseWaterLOD=1
fTileTextureDivisor=4.7500
fSurfaceTileSize=2048.0000

No Camaro, but you have given me an idea that might help!

What's your load order?? I had this problem too. I think it was when one mod moves the water in the cell to where it's not meant to be i.e. underground. Have you by any chance got Unique Landscapes?? Post your LO. I think this is a conflict problem, not an .ini problem as the other one may have been.

EDIT: Probably ignore me. I'm not sure if that was my problem after thinking back. But worth a try in anycase, if nothing else works.

Possibly so Ali, since deleting the Ini from my games directory heralded no results at all.
I am running Unique Lanscapes however.

Oblivion.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Tamrielic Ingredients.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
CustomSpellIcons.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
LoadingScreensSI.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Immersive Interiors.esp
Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Real Lava v1.2.esp
Echo_ChapelChant.esp
Storms & Sound.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
Cities Alive At Night.esp
IWR-Lights.esp
IWR-Windows.esp
IWR-Shutters.esp
AliveWaters.esp
AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp
M.O.E. - Undermined Leveled Gameplay - Creature Edition.esp
M.O.E. - Undermined Leveled Gameplay - Item Edition.esp
Morrowind Ingredients.esp
P1DrobesOver.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
Get Wet v0.92.esp
Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
Book Jackets DLC.esp
GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
AyleidFiringa.esp
Banes Guilds United.esp
M.O.E. - New Staffs, Blight and Ashstorms.esp
M.O.E. - Unlocked Palace Guard Armour.esp
M.O.E. - Unlocked Dremora Armour and Robes.esp
M.O.E. - Unlocked Glenroy and Captain Renault Blades Armour.esp
Mithril and Orcish Weapon Sets by Ionis.esp
lootableSIArmor.esp
Town_Ceremonial_Armor.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp
Tamrielic_Ingredients_cOMbo.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp
FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO+FCOM.esp
LoadingScreens-OOO.esp
Tamrielic_Ingredients.esp
MMM-Cobl.esp
Ancient Ruins - Ayleid Edition.esp
AyleidArrows.esp
Bandit Hideouts.esp
BrotherhoodRenewed.esp
BrotherhoodRenewed - Oblivion XP Patch.esp
Del_New_Sheoth_Homes.esp
Gaenor in Dementia.esp
hackdirtabyss.esp
Corpse_Kvatch.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp
M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp
sunk ships.esp
TempleOfZealotsV2.esp
The Ayleid Steps.esp
Cliff_RankDependantArenaSpectators.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp
DLCfrostcrag.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp
BrumaMGRestored.esp
BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp
Knights.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp
M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
Mighty Umbra.esp
Mighty Umbra - Vanilla OB.esp
MannimarcoComplete.esp
MannimarcoRevisited.esp
MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp
Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp
FCOM_Knights.esp
Better daedric shrines Namira.esp
Better daedric shrines sanguine.esp
Better daedric shrines Sheogorath.esp
better daedric shrines Meridia.esp
Better daedric shrines Clavicus.esp
Better daedric shrines Vaermina.esp
better daedric shrines Nocturnal.esp
Better daedric shrine Pyriate.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
Happyhannah's Time Wasting.esp
Cliff_BetterLetters.esp
Furniture Repriced.esp
M.O.E. - Bone Names and Priced Skull.esp
M.O.E. - Travel Services.esp
M.O.E. - Lucien Lachance Rumors Fix.esp
M.O.E. - Icons for Mythic Dawn Armour - Fix.esp
M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp
M.O.E. - Realistic Prices, Realistic Weights, No Quest Items.esp
M.O.E. - New Classes.esp
MYR_AyleidKing.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
Prox - Arena Loot v1.1.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon I.esp
M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon II.esp
M.O.E. - Hunger Effects.esp
M.O.E. - Fatigue Loss from Running.esp
ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp
Jump_Adjustment-2211.esp
M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp
AyleidWeaponEnchantments_balance.esp
M.O.E. - Ethereal State Spell.esp
M.O.E. - Levitation Magic.esp
M.O.E. - Lock Spells.esp
M.O.E. - Mythic Dawn Powers.esp
M.O.E. - Teleportation Magic and Icarian Flight.esp
RefScope.esp
MidasSpells.esp
Jjiinx_Enhanced Disease.esp
Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
EnchantmentRestore.esp
EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part One.esp
M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp
SM Bounty.esp
sycHearNoEvil.esp
Adrenaline Fuelled Archery- Bow Sway.esp
Fiery Fists v1.2.esp
Oblivion XP.esp
Oblivion XP - The Ayleid Steps.esp
Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
M.O.E. - Better Icon for Script Effects.esp
M.O.E. - Unlocked Hairstyles.esp
M.O.E. - Playable Dremora and Custom Race Fix.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
P1DshieldNoGlow.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer NIF REMOVED.esp
Better daedric shrine Azura.esp
Better daedric shrines malacath.esp
Better daedric shrine Hircine.esp
Better daedric shrines molag bal.esp
Give Merhunes' Razor to Martin.esp
EnchantingFreedom.esp
Better Cities .esp
VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
Scribe Supplies.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Clocks for Better Cities.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp
Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Merged Patch.esp

Ignoring the LO for now, did deleting the .ini make uNumDepthGrids appear??

EDIT: Is your merged patch your bashed path??

Just For Referance this is from my INI...same INI for 2 years now..

I am using the new water shader so some numbers will be different.
Have you tried....rename your INI to "Oblivion.BAC" and let the Game Build you a New one? if you changed fonts remember to bring those edits to the New INI.

Edit:...lol im slow...

Actually yes, deleting and re-creating the Ini did give me the option (which was at 1) however running this didn't change the water displacement at all. Started a new game to test, still the same even from fresh. Looking like the Ini isn't my culprit.

Try deactivating ulxCheydinalFalls and the corresponding patch for Better Cities. Then see if anything changes. It might not go away but it might change. Perhaps. Try it . This is presuming the screenshots you took are outside Cheydinal.

.....damn you are good at recognising these places, aren't you? Unless the name showed up in the shots.
Alrighty, I'll give it a try.

Your Right I looked at the screenshots again....thats conflicting plugins.....I have had this in the Past...think it was nothing more than re-arranging plugins?

Do you use Tes4lodgen? I also use a program called...Land Magic....it fixes things like land tares.
Edit: i recognized it also cause in my game....see the Rock next to the Tree @ end of bridge?....In my Game there is a Floating Chair there...lol...From Tamerial Travelers!!

Hehe, nope, doesn't say it on the urls xD. I just had the same problem at the same place

Aha!

Removing the Falls and Fall compatability patch did remove the problem (along with the ENITRE area) however it gave me an idea for a fix. I went back to the load order and moved both Cheydenal Falls and the BC Patch right to the bottom of the LO.
Solved it c: F'ing magical.
Cheers for the ideas fellows, couldn't have figured it myself.

Might want to report to this to either the UL or Better Cities threads, so they know there's an issue with some LOs, as this has happened twice now ,

EDIT: Also, what's your LO now, because I haven't been to Cheydinal in a while so it would be handy to know how to fix the issue if I've still got it

I just moved the Che. Falls and the Better City Che. Falls patch right to the bottom, above my bashed patch :turned:
Considering doing the same for the Imperial Isles, because I recall there being displacement of the sea bed (like a bottoless ditch)

Some observations.

Did you BOSS your load order? It looks suspiciously out of order. Better cities .esp should be loading high in the order and the better daedric shrine esp's should all be together. The UL mods should be lower.

Where's your bashed patch? I suspect you're not using one as I don't see the All Natural Indoor Weather Patch. Heavy load order + no bashed patch = trouble.

* Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
* Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
* All Natural.esp
* All Natural - SI.esp
The All Natural ReadMe is very clear that it incorporates NW weather and should not be used along side it. It also needs Wrye Bash. Bad things will happen if wrinklyninja reads this.

You could probably use a few UL Compatibility patches. Check the http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13834. I see at least one for better daedric shrines, could be more.

You should get the http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710 and patch up all the DLC's.

Enhanced Economy is a suggested update to Living Economy.

The water problem could possibly be conflicts with Alive Waters and the UL's. Try removing it. You shouldn't have to move anything in your load order to avoid conflicts and that'll typically create more.