How to help Powder Gangers defeat NCR without loosing reputa

Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:47 am

This refers to quest "I Fought the Law" which you can get from Eddie, leader of Powder Gangers in NCR Correctional Facility.

First of all, why to help them at all? Some of the answers might include:
-because you don't like NCR ways
-because you can use PG medic and trader in NCRCF
-because of fun

What ever your reasons are, you need to prepare for fight. You want to keep your involvement in battle to minimum in order to prevent reputation loss with NCR. This means Powder Gangers have to do battle mostly on their own. You can help them by fire if you want but you should be careful not to actually kill anybody or keep kills to minimum.

NCR troops wore medium armor and are armed with relatively rapid firing service rifles. Lightly armed and armored Powder Gangers are no match for them so you need to upgrade their equipment a little bit. If you already cleared Primm of bandits (which I recommend) you should have supply of 9mm pistols and some Varmint riffles at hand. If you helped Goodsprings citizens against Powder Gangers and killed some Powder Gangers in the vicinity (preferably assassinated while sneaking), you should have one or two sets of Powder Ganger Guard armor. You will use those supplies to equip inhabitants of correctional facility.

Equipping NPC can be done the same way stealing is done. Just go to sneak mode, click NPC and "plant" equipment in to his/her inventory. Note however that this makes sense only if equipment which NPC already have is worst than one you are "planting". Otherwise NPC will not use it. Also remember to give them appropriate ammo else they will not be able to fire their new gun. Single bullet is sufficient, it will apparently provide NPC with unlimited supply of ammo. You probably can not do it without loading few times so save often.

You should equip in this way Powder Gangers who do not have ranged weapon and/or armor. 4-5 9mm pistols and 1-2 Varmint riffles (each with single bullet) should be enough to equip all those who have just melee weapons. Equip few with armor according to your supplies. Equip not just those outside but those in various buildings as well. You will need them all. Note also that you will be able to get back part of the equipment after battle. Many of your "clients" are not gone live next day.
To allow NPC to equip those things, just enter one of the buildings and save/load game. Once done, I recommend to steal all melee weapons they have since NPC have nasty tendency to switch to melee and die heroically during fight. Removing their melee weapons will keep them from getting any such ideas.

All this have to be done before revealing to Eddie that NCR is planning attack, since that will trigger attack itself.

Once under attack, wait for all Powder Ganger soldiers to leave administration building -there are 3 of them. All guards will stay with Eddie as well as his buddy an medic. Upon exiting administration, rush to entrance building. Entering it will cause those still inside to join fight outside. Repeat with barracks (trader will not fight).
Once all Powder Gangers joined fight you can go and help them defeat attacking NCR troops and collect booty.

Battle can take random course, sometimes Powder Gangers can defeat NCR troops with ease, other time they might need some help. If you do not want to risk killing NCR troops and loosing reputation as a result, you can help by simply drawing enemy fire upon yourself.

However you should not enter administrative building until attack is over. If attack ends while you are inside administrative building with Eddie, your reputation with NCR will get hit. Game probably assumes that you helped Eddie in such case.

Once attack is over (no NCR troops left) you are free to talk to Eddie who will thank you but otherwise you are not rewarded with reputation it seems.
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Jordyn Youngman
 
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:23 pm

go get the ratslayer and stealth kill them all.

no rep loss.
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Javaun Thompson
 
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:06 am

I can't even go into the NCRCF because it is bugged for me. As soon as I walk into the Administration building the entire complex turns on me even though I am "Vilified".
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:11 am

I can't even go into the NCRCF because it is bugged for me. As soon as I walk into the Administration building the entire complex turns on me even though I am "Vilified".

How is that a bug? Do you know what vilified means? That's basically the highest Infamy you can have for a group.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:50 am

I can't even go into the NCRCF because it is bugged for me. As soon as I walk into the Administration building the entire complex turns on me even though I am "Vilified".


err..vilified is worse than hated.

no wonder they attack you


tale types faster than me..dagnabit :wink_smile:
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:37 am

While you can just walk into Vault 19......

It is just confusing faction between roadside raiding party, NCRCF, Prime, PG camper and Vault 19........
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:46 am

I can't even go into the NCRCF because it is bugged for me. As soon as I walk into the Administration building the entire complex turns on me even though I am "Vilified".

You should try to not get such bad reputation if you want to do this quest. It is the worst reputation you can get by any group in wasteland. You can not be disliked more.



While you can just walk into Vault 19......

It is just confusing faction between roadside raiding party, NCRCF, Prime, PG camper and Vault 19........

Yes it is. That because those in Vault 19 are technically not the same faction as those in NCRCF ...at last I think. Those in Primm are some breakaways apparently, thats what you are told when entering Primm. They are even not called Powder Gangers.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:31 am

You should try to not get such bad reputation if you want to do this quest. It is the worst reputation you can get by any group in wasteland. You can not be disliked more.




Yes it is. That because those in Vault 19 are technically not the same faction as those in NCRCF ...at last I think. Those in Primm are some breakaways apparently, thats what you are told when entering Primm. They are even not called Powder Gangers.

Yup, if you help the PG's in Goodsprings the fella tells you they'll attack you regardless and their names are 'convicts', suggesting they broke away from the others.

The Vault 19 lot are different too, although technically powder gangers they are the original lot, including the leader and instigator of the rebellion and left the others behind so they should feel differently, likely wouldn't know (or care) if all of the others died.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:26 am

If you killed alot of power gangers before you enter the building they will shoot you. That ain't a bug sadly.

Joey
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:44 am

If you killed alot of power gangers before you enter the building they will shoot you. That ain't a bug sadly.

Not if you assassinated them. That is if you sneak-kill somebody without somebody observing you, your reputation will not suffer.

If you will run in to hostile Powder Gangers before you get in to the NCRCF, just run away then either avoid them or sneak-kill them from distance one by one. You can keep your reputation with them reasonable even if you help Goodsprings fight Cob. Once you will get in to the NCRCF, you will be offered temporary truce (speak with first guy AFTHER you enter camp). Powder Gangers should not be hostile to you anymore. With exception of Powder Ganger hit squad which I get jumped by South of Primm. Which is bug I think. But they can be assassinated as well if you manage to run away from them.
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:00 pm

Wherever I am vilified, I go and kill those particular people in the game. That included the Powder Gangers.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:06 am

Not if you assassinated them. That is if you sneak-kill somebody without somebody observing you, your reputation will not suffer.

If you will run in to hostile Powder Gangers before you get in to the NCRCF, just run away then either avoid them or sneak-kill them from distance one by one. You can keep your reputation with them reasonable even if you help Goodsprings fight Cob. Once you will get in to the NCRCF, you will be offered temporary truce (speak with first guy AFTHER you enter camp). Powder Gangers should not be hostile to you anymore. With exception of Powder Ganger hit squad which I get jumped by South of Primm. Which is bug I think. But they can be assassinated as well if you manage to run away from them.


Or just kill every PG idiot you find on the roads, take one of their armour and waltz into NCRCF
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:37 am

Or just kill every PG idiot you find on the roads, take one of their armour and waltz into NCRCF

Will not help you if you manage to get vilified in the process. Guards and certain named NPCs will recognize you even under disguise. Including one standing guard at the prison entrance and Eddie himself so you will not be able to get quest from him.

Disguises are good for avoiding patrols on the road and similar stuff, they will not allow you to deal with faction itself.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:06 am

You should try to not get such bad reputation if you want to do this quest. It is the worst reputation you can get by any group in wasteland. You can not be disliked more.

The only way to be disliked more is if you became a lawyer ;)

Sorry, had to..
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:47 pm

The only way to be disliked more is if you became a lawyer ;)

Sorry, had to..


or a politician
or a pedaphile
or a tax collector
or my mother in law
or that woman who nearly killed me on the M4 the other day by changing lanes without looking

its a big list :foodndrink:
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:34 pm

The only way to be disliked more is if you became a lawyer ;)

Sorry, had to..


or a politician
or a pedaphile
or a tax collector
or my mother in law
or that woman who nearly killed me on the M4 the other day by changing lanes without looking

its a big list :foodndrink:


I had to admit, while all are bad, lawyer is by far most dangerous :D
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:21 pm

go get the ratslayer and stealth kill them all.

no rep loss.


i would rather just run there like a rambo guns blazing :flamethrower: lol
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