Speed run?

Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:33 am

Having just finally finished the main quest, it occurs to me that I spent a lot of the time I was playing avoiding said main quest in favour of doing "other things" (strangely reminiscent of what I did on my first play through of Fallout 1 years ago).

The thing is though, I have the nagging feeling that I could have probably finished the game quite quickly if I wanted to only spend a few hours in total:
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1. Arrive at New Vegas via the monorail from the NCR Fort, meet Mr. House
2. Buy a concealed weapon from the guy who immediately runs up to you trying to sell you one, kill Benny, get Platinum Chip, meet Yes Man.
3. Travel to The Fort, install Platinum Chip into machine.
4. Kill Mr. House, replace him with Yes Man and, err ... proceed on the fasted possible path to the Hoover Dam battle.

i.e. completely ignore NCR, Legion and "The House Always Wins" 2,3,4, etc...quests, side quests and pretty much all of the really cool content and locations in the game.



I guess the difficulty could be near impossible and I'm possibly missing a few mandatory steps that I thought were optional (if so, well done Obsidian!), but just wondering if anybody's ever tried a speed run and/or what people's thoughts on how fast this could be done?
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:06 pm

I think someone beat the game in 7 hours only doing the main quest.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:30 pm

I think someone beat the game in 7 hours only doing the main quest.

i bet i could do it in 5-6 if i took the easy way out and just killed all of my factions enemys instead of getting them to join.

But i love takin it slow
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:04 am

Having just finally finished the main quest, it occurs to me that I spent a lot of the time I was playing avoiding said main quest in favour of doing "other things" (strangely reminiscent of what I did on my first play through of Fallout 1 years ago).

The thing is though, I have the nagging feeling that I could have probably finished the game quite quickly if I wanted to only spend a few hours in total:
Spoiler
1. Arrive at New Vegas via the monorail from the NCR Fort, meet Mr. House
2. Buy a concealed weapon from the guy who immediately runs up to you trying to sell you one, kill Benny, get Platinum Chip, meet Yes Man.
3. Travel to The Fort, install Platinum Chip into machine.
4. Kill Mr. House, replace him with Yes Man and, err ... proceed on the fasted possible path to the Hoover Dam battle.

i.e. completely ignore NCR, Legion and "The House Always Wins" 2,3,4, etc...quests, side quests and pretty much all of the really cool content and locations in the game.



I guess the difficulty could be near impossible and I'm possibly missing a few mandatory steps that I thought were optional (if so, well done Obsidian!), but just wondering if anybody's ever tried a speed run and/or what people's thoughts on how fast this could be done?



Step 1 has an issue:
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NCR guards at the monorail are quite hostile and heavily armed until your rep is high enough, might have to burn a stealth-boy to get through. At this point you to have one you'd have to complete Ghost Town Showdown


Instead I would
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run as far as Freeside, making sure to tag a fast-travel point south of downtown, Camp McCarren would be ideal, but the factory just south of there would work. Kill a few groups of fiends, 4-5 RCLs should sell for enough money to let you pass the credit check. Leftover money goes to buy stimpacks from Followers, you'll need a fast source of reliable meds so you can tag freeside gates while you're in the area, and use Old Mormon Fort.



What build would you consider using for a speed run? I'm thinking guns or melee weapons would be the best option for weapons: giving you the greatest number of options to immediately gear up and head north. Stealth might be a decent tag skill if your strategy for some areas involves sneaking through without combat to preserve resources. Speech lets you bypass some parts of some quests entirely

To me a good speedrun build would have to:

1) have immediate access to decent weapons
2) be able to survive the run north to Vegas, ideally without fiddly save-and-reload savescumming, which I personally consider cheating because it removes the risk/reward tradeoffs that you take designing a run, in favor of always taking the high risk, high reward option and reloading the save if the enemies spawn unfavorably or a chest spawns loot other than exactly what you wanted.
3) Let you avoid as much content as possible either by bypassing "the long route" through a quest with a skill check, unlocking a door, avoiding fights, ect. or straight-up sequence breaking.
4) Ramp up quickly in power, both gear and skill-wise to be able to defeat combat challenges as quickly as possible with the least expenditure of resources
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:47 pm

Getting to Vegas at lvl1 isn't hard at all, no reloading or fighting necessary, whether you go the shorter, more dangerous way or the longer, more usual route. I've done it lots of times.
Doing the main questline seems like it'd be tough by the end tho. I don't know how much experience you'd gain doing only the necessary quests - what level do you think you'd be at the end, in order to plan such a speed run? I know you level fast in this game (in vanilla anyway) but I'm the sort who'd want an idea of how many skill points etc. I'd have to work with.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:38 am

I wouldnt know, forcing the game just makes it tedious and obnoxious.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:54 am

While there's a lot of early game steps you can bypass, I'm not sure the main plot path is very condusive to a speed run. It'll likely wind up being a handful of hours regardless of your route. It was a lot easier in FO/FO2 because of the way the game was built, and what the determining factor was for triggering the ending.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:55 am

I don't know if I'd have the patience to figure out the "best" way to do such a thing anymore. Last time I did anything similar was for Might & Magic 7. There can be an odd sense of satisfaction to doing one, tho. imo.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:21 pm

I so need to try and do the speed run
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:48 am

I don't know if I'd have the patience to figure out the "best" way to do such a thing anymore. Last time I did anything similar was for Might & Magic 7. There can be an odd sense of satisfaction to doing one, tho. imo.


I had a lot of fun doing my Fallout 2 speed run. But I don't think it's quite as fun if the game is set up in a way such that it will still take a number of hours. It's interesting when you can really step out of most of the confines presented during a "normal" playthrough. When you can't, it just feels more like you're rushing through the same steps you'd normally take.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:17 am

I had a lot of fun doing my Fallout 2 speed run. But I don't think it's quite as fun if the game is set up in a way such that it will still take a number of hours. It's interesting when you can really step out of most of the confines presented during a "normal" playthrough. When you can't, it just feels more like you're rushing through the same steps you'd normally take.



I agree, the BEST games to speedrun are games that you can sequence break and even glitch and try to beat them as fast as humanly possible. gamesas games have been great for that, My marrowind record is like 20min (thank god for almsivi intervention and jumping scrolls) and I haven't been able to pull off the oblivion paintbrush glitch but I'd love to try.

But there's also something more satisfying about games that you're beating legitimately, not through a glitch in the physics engine.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:45 am

If you side with Yes Man you could do it in 5 to 7 hours just make sure you have speeched maxed and tell Yes Man that you want to ignore everything.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:13 am

sub 3 hours, hardcoe, pacifist run:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlH7ZlhyUhc
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:37 am

Step 1 has an issue:
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NCR guards at the monorail are quite hostile and heavily armed until your rep is high enough, might have to burn a stealth-boy to get through. At this point you to have one you'd have to complete Ghost Town Showdown



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Actually, it is pretty easy. Just disguise yourself as NCR and the guards will let you through, no questions asked.

Stealth boy is easy to get too, just get the one from the safe in the old school building at Goodsprings.

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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:58 am

Step 1 has an issue:
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NCR guards at the monorail are quite hostile and heavily armed until your rep is high enough, might have to burn a stealth-boy to get through. At this point you to have one you'd have to complete Ghost Town Showdown



Step 1 is easly dealt with by obtaining any NCR armor.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:54 pm

There's some NCR armour
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on a corpse near the canyon wreckage W of Primm

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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:23 am

I'm not sure I'd ever speed run a game like this. If there was an achievement for doing it, I would try.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:05 am

Speed Run!?
After dealing with Legate Lanius twice now with a speech skill of 100, and Power Armor, and killer weapons/equipment and skills...
Sure, I'd love to go to the end with a Level 2 guy, heheh... NOT!
Interesting idea though - just not very attractive.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:58 am

Speed Run!?
After dealing with Legate Lanius twice now with a speech skill of 100, and Power Armor, and killer weapons/equipment and skills...
Sure, I'd love to go to the end with a Level 2 guy, heheh... NOT!
Interesting idea though - just not very attractive.
Regards


you can have 100 speech by level 5, and just doing the mandatory quests will get you to level 9, although you only get 9 at the very end.

here's my route, got this down to a little over 2 hours:
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1 str 1 per 10 end 10 chr 10 int 7 agi 1 lck
Tag Speech, Science, Melee (or guns, if you want. You don't have to attack anyone for this route, and it's quicker not to)

Take EVERYTHING from doc's house, use Chemistry Set to make Stimpaks
Leave goodsprings
Run to hidden valley -> NCRCF -> Primm
Take NCR armour from Canyon Wreckage
Run California Sunset Drive-in -> Wolfhorn Ranch -> Camp Searchlight -> Novac -> El Dorado Substation -> Boulder City -> Boulder City Ruins
Talk to Jessup, ask about Benny, quit conversation, level up to 4
All points in speech, any perk + Educated
Complete Boulder City Showdown
Run to Follower's Outpost -> Grub n Gulp -> Camp McCarran -> take monorail
Talk to Victor outside Lucky 38 until he gives you House Always Wins
Go to House, agree -> Tops -> get suite key from receptionist -> Benny's suite
Get Wild Card: Change In Management, Side Bets, You And What Army
Talk to Benny - let him run away - level up (speech 100)
Fast travel to Camp Searchlight -> run to Cottonwood
Speech challenge guard to keep aid items
Get chip from Caeser -> upgrade bots
Level up -> science / Toughness
Fast travel to strip - Run in (ignore bots)
Disable House -> level up -> barter
Take Yes Man to Lucky 38
Wild Card: Side Bets: Gomorrah - talk to receptionist, leave
Ultra-Luxe - talk to Mortimer - leave
Exit Freeside North Gate
Go to Nellis - meet Boomers, fast travel to Camp McCarran
Red Rock Canyon - meet Khans - fast travel to Hidden Valley
Enter bunker north entrance - speak to elder - get Still In The Dark - leave
Do Still In The Dark (smash radio) - hand in
(If you need a doctor: leave south gate - travel goodsprings, sell stuff to chet, get healed. Else: )
Fast travel to Strip, tell Yes Man to ignore everyone, get override chip
Fast travel to El Dorado Substation, power substation, return to Strip
level up - barter + Terrifying Presence. Talk to Yes Man, go to Dam
Get to control tower, speech guards, install override chip. Activate east power switch, leave tower
Legate's camp - kite/kill stuff with securitrons - take & equip Legion armour
Speech Legate, leave (level up), speech General Lee, win game

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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:01 pm

Here's how you get past DCs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw
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