Father Elijah is a genius

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:49 pm

Spoiler
Seriously stop and think about his plans. He can nearly instantly learn how any tech works. More importantly, he's after the knowledge behind the tech found at the sierra madre: the holograms, cloud and most importantly the vending machines. The vending machines don't dispense items, they actually assemble them from those chips you put in. And those chips can be made from a few pieces of scrap metal and some batteries. They can turn that into literally almost anything: food, ammo, stimpacks, etc. There would be no need to waste billions of caps over the course of decades for some possibly futile attempt to expand into space when this tech actually exists.

User avatar
Lily Evans
 
Posts: 3401
Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:10 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:28 pm

Wrong section.
User avatar
Dan Wright
 
Posts: 3308
Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:40 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:33 am

Oh, I did put this in the wrong section. Sorry.
User avatar
JD FROM HELL
 
Posts: 3473
Joined: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:54 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:26 am

*SPOILERS*




Well I reckon Elijah is more lucky than smart having found and been physically able to get to Sierra Madre to even know the potential of the old world tech located there. I mean who knows if Mr.House is even aware of it's existence and even if he were would his machines have the range and complexity to locate and take advantage of the Sierra Madre ? I guess he could of done what Elijah did.

But then again there could be the speculation that RobCo should have had knowledge of the best in old world tech and possibly have matched or even had superior tech. Maybe Poseidon energy had access to tech as advanced as the Sierra Madre ? Helios seems to be similarly advanced as the hologram tech.
User avatar
Kanaoka
 
Posts: 3416
Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:24 pm

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:32 am

While Hologram tech has some amazing benefits, once you know what you look for (The Achilles Heel if you will) the hologram army is in some serious need of physical back-up. EMP grenades and explosives anyone? Those emitteres are fragile. Hell, one computer in the casino said that you couldn't step on one without out it breaking or worse. A shock-wave is definitely going to do some damage if it's in or on the ground. A mobile heavy carrier unit? If you can't shoot the ghosts, then shoot the big thing in the back, problem solved.
User avatar
Chloe Yarnall
 
Posts: 3461
Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:26 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:15 am

While Hologram tech has some amazing benefits, once you know what you look for (The Achilles Heel if you will) the hologram army is in some serious need of physical back-up. EMP grenades and explosives anyone? Those emitteres are fragile. Hell, one computer in the casino said that you couldn't step on one without out it breaking or worse. A shock-wave is definitely going to do some damage if it's in or on the ground. A mobile heavy carrier unit? If you can't shoot the ghosts, then shoot the big thing in the back, problem solved.


The holoprojectors have an uncanny ability to project through walls so finding them could be a problem, and holograms are explicitly said to be immune to EMP, then of course you still need to find them while the hordes of holograms rip you to shreds.
User avatar
Trevi
 
Posts: 3404
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:26 pm

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:18 am

The holoprojectors have an uncanny ability to project through walls so finding them could be a problem, and holograms are explicitly said to be immune to EMP, then of course you still need to find them while the hordes of holograms rip you to shreds.


I remember the I mean the emitters. The emitters can't take a dent. If you bury them in the ground then even a rocker will send out a big enough shock-wave the damage the emitter(s). Large area? Shell it.
User avatar
Kahli St Dennis
 
Posts: 3517
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:57 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:45 am

He merely stumbled across some pre-war tech. That's closer to a prospector than a genius imo.
User avatar
Jodie Bardgett
 
Posts: 3491
Joined: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:38 pm

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:00 am

I remember the I mean the emitters. The emitters can't take a dent. If you bury them in the ground then even a rocker will send out a big enough shock-wave the damage the emitter(s). Large area? Shell it.

Shell it with what? the artillery weapons they don't make anymore? They don't have to be buried just hidden and you'd have to know the emitters exist to begin with, dirt can
Shelling was never effective against infantry it was an anti-fortification, you'd need to have a relatively good idea where the emitter is buried otherwise you could shell for hours and never find it. The ground shockwaves aren't as powerful as you think. And not only must you deal with the holographic army but the red cloud which would proceed it and start devouring your flesh, Elijah wasn't just after the holograms as weapons but duplicating the cloud its self.
User avatar
no_excuse
 
Posts: 3380
Joined: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:56 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:06 am

Boomers
User avatar
mishionary
 
Posts: 3414
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:19 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:47 am

Shell it with what? the artillery weapons they don't make anymore? They don't have to be buried just hidden and you'd have to know the emitters exist to begin with, dirt can
Shelling was never effective against infantry it was an anti-fortification, you'd need to have a relatively good idea where the emitter is buried otherwise you could shell for hours and never find it. The ground shockwaves aren't as powerful as you think. And not only must you deal with the holographic army but the red cloud which would proceed it and start devouring your flesh, Elijah wasn't just after the holograms as weapons but duplicating the cloud its self.


Missiles. And the range of the emitters IIRC is fairly limited. And to have an effective holographic army you have to have some way of moving the emitters as well.
User avatar
Sierra Ritsuka
 
Posts: 3506
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:56 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:28 pm

Please explain how this is a spoiler. :confused:
User avatar
Laurenn Doylee
 
Posts: 3427
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:48 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:31 am

Please explain how this is a spoiler. :confused:

cause its from the dlc info
anyways i reckon he was kinda silly, he should of let go, like you the player has too with the goldbars
User avatar
Elea Rossi
 
Posts: 3554
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:21 am

Missiles. And the range of the emitters IIRC is fairly limited. And to have an effective holographic army you have to have some way of moving the emitters as well.

The missiles don't have much of a blast radius so there explosive shockwave power won't be that much, you could fire a dozen missiles and never hit the hidden emitter, especially if you don't know what your looking for. And the emitters could be moved like any piece of equipment they aren't that big. Rather then continue to argue with you I'll just bring up the absolute in-game proof of what Elijah is capable of from the secret ending.(where you join forces with him)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Gqv1dbuTw

Absolute proof of the effectiveness of a holographic army.
User avatar
Teghan Harris
 
Posts: 3370
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:31 pm

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:21 am

The missiles don't have much of a blast radius so there explosive shockwave power won't be that much, you could fire a dozen missiles and never hit the hidden emitter, especially if you don't know what your looking for. And the emitters could be moved like any piece of equipment they aren't that big. Rather then continue to argue with you I'll just bring up the absolute in-game proof of what Elijah is capable of from the secret ending.(where you join forces with him)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Gqv1dbuTw

Absolute proof of the effectiveness of a holographic army.


I just realized I overlooked a crucial part of my argument. I KNOW what the holograms are, the rest of the world doesn't. I yield in defeat.
User avatar
Sammie LM
 
Posts: 3424
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:59 pm

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:34 pm

I wonder what would happen if Elijah attacked Hoover Dam with just one hologram. If somebody made a mod or fiddled with PC commands, I'd love to see a hologram fight off the NCR.
User avatar
Nice one
 
Posts: 3473
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:30 am

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:26 pm

He was a smart man, but his hubris got in the way and eventually
Spoiler
Got him killed by the courier

User avatar
Sunnii Bebiieh
 
Posts: 3454
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:57 pm


Return to Fallout: New Vegas