lately, i've been once in a while leaving posts on my facebook wall that go something like this: "don't kill yourself, it's not solution to your problems" . even have a pre-typed message saved on my phone so i can post that same or similar post from my phone(fb mobile ftw ) wherever i am. maybe i am just thinking too much on things, but i am hoping that maybe someone who comes across my page, it will be just what they need to not pull that trigger or something. though i do this for my own benefit mostly, as i myself need reminders(i am not going to kill myself though don't worry, i know better). but i can't help but think that maybe it will make a difference for someone else. especially since at least one person in my fb friend list has some pictures that, well, one says something like "i want to kill myself" and his page does have that something of a darker feeling to it(what with the pictures in negative tone and all). so i think more likely than not i am just posting that because i know they'll see it.

but at any rate, i though it was fitting reminder to post here too. i seen here before topics by people who have issues and sounded like they needed the encouragement. then, also, one time someone posted something about i think their friend going through the hard times and i think even tried to kill themselves and after that, the person posted something to remind people that there is always hope. i think that was nice and i agree with the gesture, more kind words and things need to be said and done these days, the world is increasingly negative it seems, and any help against it needed, no matter how small that help may seem. not everyone can move mountains, but most anyone can share a kind word or two. or do nice thing or two.

so i suppose this is one mine. but i also can't help but doubt my noble intentions, as they could just be another ego boost attempts. or another reminder for myself.

so on to the topic now: suicide. or rather, not to suicide. as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82hLvgGuDu8&NR=1 that i have playing over and over right now asks, 'would it matter at all if i got myself together and gave this another try', i think anyone who feels this way, you guys should know that yeah, it would matter.

i am not much an expert on anything, but i hope this will help someone who might be in a tough spot right now. the quote below is from my post elsewhere(which was not really about that), but advice applies to here too, i think.



personally, i don't think i ever talked anyone out of it before. i hope some thing i said here and elsewhere did serve that end, though. myself, can't say i know how people who consider this 'option' feel, but i did have episodes in my life when things did seem really, hm, well, i'll avoid using those adjectives, as they only set the mind to meditate on like negative things. to be honest, i don't do this kind of intake filtering much but i should. it would make handling current stream of, well, that, easier. i guess this sort of vent slash time to do something post .

I almost committed suicide at one point in my life, and I know what it's like when it feels when you just seem to be trapped in a circle of misery. I'm touched by your efforts to spread the word that people care...it meant more to me than anything else at the point in my life when my friends hugged me every day to let me know they were there for me and it does get better. Keep going at it man, I have no doubt somebody was touched positively by your efforts.

Reading your post and writing my response brought a few tears to my eyes remembering the time, so you definitely got my support :thumbsup:

Very nice. Adding to this, reaching out to people who need more than a "hello" as you pass them in school helps too. My friends cousin was facing rejection at home, and she ran away, but was later found. She really hates her mother, and from what my friend tells me, they don't have the daughter-mother relationship. It's sad though.

I once thought I should kill the sixiest man alive, but then I realized suicide isn't the answer. Good work OP.

what did you do? i mean, everyone has their strategies. (and good that you had such loving friends, makes me feel better about humanity when hearing about this kind of sacrifice for the sake of another.)

well, i hope it did. and i hope the chain will keep going. but i am not good at taking compliments, they just end up ego boosts instead . good to hear that it was of some meaning to you. hopefully to someone else too.

oh, indeed. i think sometimes it's hard to even say "hello", as people look at you funny when you do say even as much as a "hello". (or such is my impression.)

i don't get it... thanks i guess.

As self loathing as I am I am incapable of suicide. I am just to greedy and self absorbed in my own amusemant. besides, i am a strong believer in holding one self responsible for every part of their life, suicide is merely an attempt to avoid the responsibility of your life. its not a true escape much less the ultimate escape.

as true as that is, the fact that people do kill themselves. generally, from 'having no options left'. someone or something is brainwashing people into believing that. i think it's our(those who know better) responsibility to dispel that myth in their mind.

At several points in my life I've come close to attempting suicide. I still have those feelings now when I'm at my worst, but I have something, someone really, to live for now. And that's given me hope. Enough hope to actually get out of bed each day. If you have difficulty living life, then find someone else to live for, if that makes sense. Find someone who can help you through it.

this is not so much about me(as much as i'd like it to be), it should be more about other. i'll get my figured out. and thanks

This website is a good argument against suicide: http://areason.org/

Wow, a subject I actually feel like being serious on.

I'm not going to go into a big old diatribe like I sometimes do, mainly because I'm tired. But I will say that what keeps me alive is wanting to do stuff in this world, that I KNOW is possible here. What I don't know is what I'll be capable of after I'm wormfood (though my thought is that I'll simply be wormfood). Based on that, I'd rather stick around. I have goals to meet, I have books to write, I have places to visit on Earth, I have new levels of skill to attain on the guitar, I have beautiful women that I want to... well, you know.

I'm being serious here too, those are all things I very much desire, and more, and I'd hate to leave this world without knowing what it's like to be able to play Eruption flawlessly, or have a best-selling novel, or visit the Louvre (spelling?), or have six with a hot chick.

And that's to say nothing of my anticipation of Skyrim.

There's five songs that I can listen to, at any given time, that no matter what kind of mood I'm in, no matter how crappy my guitar-playing was earlier that day, or how frustrating my novel can be, or how many times I get shot down, will always set me right:

Fear by Lucia Cifarelli (of KMFDM, she did a solo album in '04, really wish she'd do another one)

Walk Away by Geri Halliwell (Ginger Spice, if you don't know)

The Touch by Stan Bush (if you either grew up or where born in the 80s, you should know this one)

Lullaby by Emmy Rossum (played Christine in the Phantom of the Opera film of '04)

Dancers to a Discordant System by Meshuggah (favorite band ever; best song they've ever done)

May seem silly, but it's true.

Reading Harry Potter also helps, but that's mainly because it reminds me of whom I aim to beat in terms of sales and legacy: J.K. Rowling. Seriously, I want to out-sell her like you wouldn't believe.

I don't really have much to say on the subject, but since we seem to be mentioning some songs I thought I'd mention one that I've found particularly touching. Look up 'No Lies Just Love' by Bright Eyes. Something about Conor Oberst's writing style has always captivated me. So simple and so true.

I was going to take my life once, suicide with ze knife.

I decided to call the suicide hotline to have them convince me that life is good (which I had already prepared excellent arguments against, my plan was to instead convince them that life is crap ) only to be told by an automated voice that the hotline is only open from 3 to 7 on week days. I found that hilarious, so I lol'd, went to sleep, and didn't really think about it anymore.

You're a good man Manuel.

bookmarked, maybe will come handy one day. thanks Expresate

maybe it's just the fact that it reminded me of my darker days, but reading though that site, felt really, how do i put it, oppressed, sort of, a bit of pressure on me. or maybe it's the humane side of me reacting to someone's pain with own bad feelings.

it mentions something like take it one day at a time and that after a bit, the feeling subsides. that's good to remember, that it will eventually subside, it won't always be like it is now, it will get better.

diatribe... reminds me how i was pondering unleashing one of my own. well, diatribe or not but something less than nice. i have a draft on what i think about 'suicide and people who consider it. and it is rather nasty one. i believe it to tough to swallow truth, something they need to hear. but wish not risk hurting anyone more than they already are if they are feeling this way.

it'd be harder for someone who can't do all those things. i can't imagine how people feel if they can't, for some reason or another, do all those. which would make it hard for them to manage, as seems like it always comes to goals and meaning.

none of those look familiar. i can't say http://www.mixpod.com/playlist/83845244 are what always lifts me up and makes it better, but it is my music that's on now, and is one of my playlists, and i think one of them is particularly great one, as it seems to me to be a reminder of what music is supposed to be: "Musica è" sang by Eros Ramazzotti.

there is beauty in simplicity and in truth. i'd imagine both combined is that much more beautiful. over-complicating(or just complicating) ruins things. and when as much as accidentally and slightly distorting the truth(much less deliberately and by a great deal of lies), it seems to always make things worse. i think the appeal of if this song is that it is open and believable, that it is possible to relate to it, and that's what we humans want, believable, possible, relate-able

why a knife? people use many different ways, means. you can probably learn a bit about yourself if you took time to consider why you at that time chose ze knife.

interesting. i wonder how many lives could have been saved if people found something to genuinely laugh about. or cry. both take the edge off any dark(er) mood for me. kind of uneasy to admit to crying(men are not supposed to...), but i find it a bit ridiculous when people say that 'men don't cry'. i think it'd just the opposite, as any man or woman should be in touch with their inner workings, with their emotion.

nope. good is not a characteristic of men. do good, yes, maybe. but not be good. thanks for the kind words though.

---

oh, and i think this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyH3VNxUcm0 is good to watch, too, when feeling down.

Wow, suicide. Many, many people think of it at different times in their lives. Some act on it.

It's always good to ask for a person's word that they will not harm themselves and equally it is good for someone to give that word as most people don't want to break their word to another as a last act.

Never the less, if you think about harming yourself at all, ever, at anytime, then you need to get some help. Go to a health care professional or clergy or school nurse or parent or sibling or friend and tell them. Suicide is the result of depression and can be treated. There is no shame in being depressed. It's a chemical imbalance and it can be treated quite successfully. Think about that, "can be treated sucessfully", that means that nobody has to feel helpless and useless and down and out.

So anyone who has this problem, please get help. Because those you leave behind if you don't get help and you do harm yourself are devastated by your action. They must live the rest of their lives wondering why and if they could have done something and the memory of it scars the survivors worse than you could dream of. If you think you don't matter, think again. We all matter and often we are loved by others we never even knew cared.

So, yeah. Keep making those promises.

I dunno if it's always depression. My dad committed suicide, but he had schizophrenia so I think there were other factors involved that couldn't be fully treated.


Wise words. :foodndrink:

There are exceptions but most suicide is due to depression. I'm very sorry about your Dad. Schizophrenia is a difficult illness.



Thanks, unfortunately it's from an experience I wish I could forget.

Why the knife you ask?

I couldn't find any rope, except for some plastic crap that was impossible to tie a knot from... The pain is always a factor to consider aswell, whích is probably what has stopped me most of the times. If guns were as common here as they are in for example, the US, I would definetly not be writing this right now.

Oh, sorry I didn't respond earlier. I just convinced myself every day that life was worth living, and then I met my girlfriend around that time as well. Just a multitude of good things that helped me through.

Edit: I don't know how to change that quote around to make it work, if you guys could ignore it or a moderator could fix it that would be appreciated.

Lucky you. I am most likely the same but with nobody to live for and nothing to live for. I forsee myself killing myself by the time I am 30-35ish. Why do people say suicide is not an escape when it is really the ultimate escape.

Worst decision you can make is to commit to someone, depend on them, trust them.

When they leave/wrong you, it'll all be over and you'll experience misery like never before. This might just be the thing that pushes you over the edge, so I'd actually play it safe if I were you, suicidal tendecies don't go well with relationships of any kind.