Conan the Barbarian (2011)

Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:53 pm

* If you hate reading, you can skip to the bottom for a recap and final word ---------------------

Just saw the new Conan the Barbarian movie last night, as it was opening weekend. I'm a huge fan of the original Robert E. Howard stories, dabbled in Age of Conan before I realized I don't like MMOs (apparently it's free now tho so maybe I'll give it another shot). I own both of the old movies as a DVD combo pack I got for $10. I'm a fan. Thought I'd post a review for all those who are, as well as people who just like fantasy in general. I'll do my best to avoid spoilers.

To begin: I saw it in 3-D, only because that was the only late showing. I don't think it was well optimized for it, some scenes had more depth, but nothing really popped out. I don't care, but unless you love wearing the glasses, the 2D version is just as good, I'm sure.

The movie is definitely more "aware" of the original Conan than the Schwarzenegger films, and fans will appreciate the few subtle touches. For instance, Conan is born on a battlefield. You hear names like Acheron, Messantia, Shaipur, Cimmeria, Hyrkania, Vanarium.

After the opening scene of Conan's birth (his father is the always good-in-bad-movies Ron Perlman) we see him being raised in his village. I had watched this scene several times in a Red-Band trailer, so take that in stride. I'll say that when I first saw the trailer, I thought it started cheesy but ended well enough that I knew this wasn't typical Hollywood melodrama. By the time I saw it in theaters, I simply thought it was a decent introduction. The film spends perhaps too much time with Conan as a boy, although I have to say they do so in a way that doesn't ruin the character by seeing him poorly played by a child actor, who tend to be cute or annoying, which is as much their fault as writers and directors. This wasn't a problem.

We are soon introduced to the villain Khalar Zym, played by Stephen Lang (grizzled military commander from Avatar). Although he is driven by an extremely formulaic Hollywood plot device, Lang does an excellent job playing the role of a tyrannical warlord. Looking him up, he's worked as stage actor, so he takes his craft very seriously, and it shows.

Flash forward to Conan full-grown, played by Jason Momoa. When I first heard him cast in the role, I was disappointed. His role as Ronan Dex in Stargate, despite having a very similar name and character as Conan, was not physically right for the role. He was almost too tall, surfer muscles stretched too thin over a large frame, and with a distinctly Polynesian, rather than Celtic look. Conan has blue eyes and black hair, not brown eyes and dreadlocks. After watching Game of Thrones, I was much more assured of his caliber as an actor, even if only for that particular type of role. He did some working out, and proved he could growl menacingly and not just talk like an over confident frat boy. In Conan, he was in my mind infinitely better than Schwarzenegger. It's not that I disliked Arnie, but his accent and the poor dialogue given to him didn't convey Conan as he was originally - barbaric but intelligent, introspective and well traveled. Arnie's Conan came off as strong but dumb, whereas Momoa's came of as being thoughtful before he decapitated somebody.

I was worried when he was introduced working with another adventurer, as the previous films had the "side kick problem," and I was made even MORE nervous when they later had him team up with another thief who fit the profile exactly...the smaller, devious, scream and hide during the fight type character. But these were not abused, and there were certainly times when Conan worked with or under other people in the stories, although in most cases he would eventually kill his former boss and take control of whatever band of thieves/pirates/mercenaries he was part of. As it was, you'd see Conan work with these guys for a scene, then go off on his own again. Which is much better than having the side kick with him the whole movie, and more realistic than Conan taking on the world himself (Conan's greatest appeal is that his world is not TOO fantastic).

Let me continue with other things I liked. The violence was appropriate. I am extremely pleased they went with an R rating. There's even a couple scenes with exposed briasts, naked or scantily clad females being a staple of the Howard stories. There was plenty of blood, but I wouldn't have minded a few more brains, guts, and severed limbs, but I'm definitely not complaining. The set designs were pretty beautiful. You see a lot of shining cities and ruined battlements. While the desolate wilderness scenes in the 80's movies inspired a sense of adventure, one of the great juxtapositions of the REH works was that Conan was part of the wild, and here he was in the marble cities of civilized societies. Speaking of, they actually have Artus (the big sidekick) with a line of dialogue about the differences between barbarity and "civilization," which was probably the entire theme of the original character. There was also an element of the weird, as they invade the stronghold of Khalar Zym, they encounter a giant tentacled beast. Robert E. Howard was actually a pen pal of HP Lovecraft, and many of the "old gods" of his science fiction were worshiped more openly in Conan's times. Conan often came across monsters which were not so much supernatural as extraterrestrial. The costume design was pretty good. Some movies have absolutely terrible design for armor and weapons, bad enough to ruin the film. While theirs wasn't perfect, it was certainly not distracting and occasionally better than expected.

Things I didn't like...other than not using more of the original stories for the plot/dialogue, the lengthy intro, and some of Rose McGowan's delivery of lines, (she played Khalar Zym's witch daughter) there really wasn't too much to complain about, and I was prepared to be extremely critical of the film. The trailers actually made me more worried than I needed to be most the time.

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Final rating? Good. 7.5 stars out of 10, 8 - 8.5 if you're a fantasy fan. I'd definitely say worth the price of a ticket if you have the money to go, and while I'd avoid 3D, I was happy to pay the extra few bucks to see it that night and not wait. It was about as good a Hollywood adaptation as you could have hoped for, mature, visceral, and unburdened by most obvious flaws. While general fantasy fans might enjoy it more than more dedicated Conan fans, the die-hards will enjoy it better than the 80's Schwarzenegger version. And if we do get a sequel or trilogy, I'd look forward to seeing them, and if they improve as much over the first as it improved over the older movies, they might even be great. But if they were only equal, I would be satisfied.

"I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."

- from Conan the Barbarian, Robert E. Howard
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:31 pm

There is a already a thread for rating the last movies that you have seen. Good review though.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1220417-rate-the-last-movie-youve-seen/, Here it is
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:04 pm

I only read the last paragraph to avoid spoilers, but I'm glad it's good. I've been reading the books again the past few days and I am really looking forward to the new film. Since I really like even the Schwarzenegger film, despite it being perhaps the worst possible Conan adaptation imaginable, I am pretty sure that I will be pleased :).
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:47 pm

I've heard a lot of bad things about this movie and it finished 5th in the opening weekend. I don't really know if it's as good as the Original. I mean James Earl Jones played the original Thulsa Doom, how the heck are you going to replace that.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:00 pm

No Arnold no Conan for me...but I'll give it a chance. And Jason Momoa is no where near Arnold's size, but anyway, like I said, I'll give it a chance.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:39 am

I was about to watch the old one with Arnie in it the other day, but it was like half way through so I never bothered. I'll be sure towatch this when I can.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:56 pm

There is a already a thread for rating the last movies that you have seen. Good review though.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1220417-rate-the-last-movie-youve-seen/, Here it is


I saw that, but then thought it was inappropriate because I want people to be able to discuss a movie that recently came out, and not having it bogged down by people saying "I just saw Gone With the Wind" or "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo."

I've heard a lot of bad things about this movie and it finished 5th in the opening weekend. I don't really know if it's as good as the Original. I mean James Earl Jones played the original Thulsa Doom, how the heck are you going to replace that.


Yea, I read a lot of criticism before it came out, but that's just people being pessimistic. I'm curious if any of them were, like me, less displeased than we expected to be. Need to check out the IMDB boards and look for people who've seen it, and see if they truly dislike it. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it could have been much worse.

Oh, as for Thulsa Doom...I wish they used James Earl Jones to do the intro speech "After the oceans drank Atlantis..." You'll recognize who it is, but iconic as he may be, it just doesn't fit. I heard it and went "Oh! ...meh."
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:22 pm

I liked it quite a lot. It wasn't the best, however it was passable for me. :tongue:

Also, the whole character and some parts of the movie seems to be much more closer to the original Howard stuff.

Sorry, even thought the old Conan was a classic, the big hulking beast with speech impairment doesn't really come to my vision of Conan from the books.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:17 am

Interesting to see a positive reaction for this. I thought the trailer looked cheap and cheesy, so if it's actually a good film, that's a welcome surprise.

I'm sure I'll get around to seeing it at some point. In the meantime, I still have The Scorpion King on DVD, which is stupidly fun in every sense.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:44 pm

It was Clash of the Titans bad. One of those all action, no plot movies. Michael Bay could have made this new Conan.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:14 am

It was Clash of the Titans bad. One of those all action, no plot movies. Michael Bay could have made this new Conan.

What else do you expect of a Conan film? The whole plot of the 1982 film can be summarized as: The [censored] killed my mother, ghuarGHAWAAAAAARH!!!

It would be nice if there ever was an adaptation that did justice to the original, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:01 pm

What else do you expect of a Conan film? The whole plot of the 1982 film can be summarized as: The [censored] killed my mother, ghuarGHAWAAAAAARH!!!

It would be nice if there ever was an adaptation that did justice to the original, but I doubt it'll ever happen.

I expected it to be crap. but it was actually worse than the first two, which is hard to do.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:38 pm

This film has been pecking my intrest for a bit---I like the old Conan movie but this one looks alright...If or when I get some extra time I might go see it.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:04 am

It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't good either. I'd say it's probably as bad/good as the Arnie version, but for different reasons. Anyone else think it was really loud? I've had this problem with several movies at my local theater, but this was a bit louder than usual.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:44 am

Apparently it did pretty bad at the box office, but I'm not too surprised. Rating it R, while the right choice, also means that 14-17 year old boys, who would be a great draw for this film, can only go with a parent. I hope some cool dad brings his sons and all his friends in to see a matinee and increase the revenue during it's run.

The biggest critiques I see from people fairly accurate. It's not a great film, in technical terms, the dialogue, and more importantly the plot, are shallow. But how something like Transfomers can kill at the box office, and something like this just falls completely flat, I don't get.

What's really disappointing is that while the director screwed up, and the producer (I think) is the one who insisted on re-using the 1982 revenge plot (which was lame) there was a co-writer brought on late in the project, who was a real fan, and apparently he is responsible for all the stuff I really liked, and had some drafts written up for Frost Giant's Daughter and Queen of the Black Coast if the "intro" film was successful. While most of the stories are too short and lacking a full plot to be made into a film (FG'sD could only fit as a scene in a larger film) QotBC has a good intro, rise, climix, fall, and denouement, and would have been a great movie (if well done) but I understand the perceived necessity to "introduce" the character, but I think a good exposition in the beginning of the film could do that.

Oh well. Guess we'll have to wait another 20 years.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:53 pm

It was Clash of the Titans bad. One of those all action, no plot movies. Michael Bay could have made this new Conan.


Ha ha. Can't say it was THAT bad. Titans was abysmal.

The movie suffered from the fast paced scenes / machine gun editing that plague many modern action movies, but it did have some redeeming qualities. Nice back story, great set design and art direction, great use of the R rating.

Not great, but not that bad. If you're a Conan fan, there's enough in there to make it worth a ticket, at least IMO.
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